Horrific Newtown, CT school shooting

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

I wish these networks would wait to get the facts right when we have these type of tragedies. What's the big hurry?

yeah, they all want to brag they were first to break the news...but what's the point if what they're telling you is wrong?

[alysheba4]

fcked up times right now.......just read where another lunatic killed a women then himself in a crowded vegas hotel lobby.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

fcked up times right now.......just read where another lunatic killed a women then himself in a crowded vegas hotel lobby.

Is it this Dec 21st thing that is bringing Whackos out of the woodwork the last week?

[SOREHOOF]

The whackos have always been here. And get used to it. And give me your guns.

[Danzig]

Ind. man with 47 guns arrested after school threat 51 min ago
0emailVon I. Meyer allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire before saying he would 'kill as many people as he could' at a nearby elementary school.

CEDAR LAKE, Ind. — Authorities say an Indiana man who had 47 guns and ammunition in his home has been arrested after allegedly threatening to kill people at an elementary school near his home.

Cedar Lake police were called to the home of 60-year-old Von I. Meyer early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire. A police statement says Meyer also said he would enter Jane Ball Elementary School and "kill as many people as he could."

Authorities found 47 guns and ammunition worth over $100,000.

Prosecutors filed felony intimidation charges against Meyer on Saturday, one day after the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. He is being held without bond.

Cedar Lake is about 45 miles southeast of Chicago.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Ind. man with 47 guns arrested after school threat 51 min ago
0emailVon I. Meyer allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire before saying he would 'kill as many people as he could' at a nearby elementary school.

CEDAR LAKE, Ind. — Authorities say an Indiana man who had 47 guns and ammunition in his home has been arrested after allegedly threatening to kill people at an elementary school near his home.

Cedar Lake police were called to the home of 60-year-old Von I. Meyer early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire. A police statement says Meyer also said he would enter Jane Ball Elementary School and "kill as many people as he could."

Authorities found 47 guns and ammunition worth over $100,000.

Prosecutors filed felony intimidation charges against Meyer on Saturday, one day after the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. He is being held without bond.

Cedar Lake is about 45 miles southeast of Chicago.

..Why would anyone need that many guns?.
Should be some flag on gun purchases and any person accumulating say over a dozen weapons should be investigated...yeah, fat chance..gestapo tactics...know you are a gun owner but would wager not 47..
Maybe we are not far from this...

[Danzig]

yeah, i have a fraction of that. not sure why people would want that many....
i never intended to have as many as we've got here! won several, inherited a few. but they're different guns/calibres with different uses. muzzleloaders, rifles, shotguns of different sizes. he uses a 12 gauge, i use a 20. a turkey gun...a .410/.22 over under that belonged to his granddad.
they're tools for a variety of uses. it's just a shame that, as usual, a few loonies try to ruin things for everyone else.

[bigrun]

Dozen years ago i inherited a AK47 and 357magnum, the ak was used for target practice by a family member, the 357 for home protection..sat in my closet till couple years ago and sold them to local gun store...think i got 250 for both..last year sold my 22 rifle with scope and boxes of ammo...60 bucks...Now all i have is a blowdart gun and 6 darts....Killed a snake once with it.. If i have an intruder i'm screwed, i'll try to give him my wife.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by bigrun

..Why would anyone need that many guns?.
Should be some flag on gun purchases and any person accumulating say over a dozen weapons should be investigated...yeah, fat chance..gestapo tactics...know you are a gun owner but would wager not 47..
Maybe we are not far from this...

By virtue of his threats AND the volume of firearms, I'd say the guy isn't wrapped too tight. It's not the guns alone - there are many collectors who wouldn't hurt a fly. In fact, they are likely not to give their guns that much use at the range outside of the break-in period for fear of wearing them out and diminishing their value.

As far as "need" for any purchase of any item, it doesn't apply.

Why would Jay Leno need as many cars as he has? He can afford them, so it's his business.

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-inspi...144009286.html


heard part of obama's speech last night. so, how do we proceed? no one wants another of these mass killings to occur, so how do we prevent them? can we?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-inspi...144009286.html


heard part of obama's speech last night. so, how do we proceed? no one wants another of these mass killings to occur, so how do we prevent them? can we?

We can't prevent a psycho from doing something psychotic unfortunately. But I don't understand the need for civilians to possess semi automatic weapons.

I think it should be a lot harder for people to obtain guns. I know what the 2nd amendment says, but maybe we need to look into this more. Clearly, this monster had serious issues. His mother was a doomsday prepper so I think we can assume she was pretty nutty as well.

How was she able to obtain the kind of weapons she did, and why did she think it was a good idea to teach her clearly troubled son how to shoot?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-inspi...144009286.html


heard part of obama's speech last night. so, how do we proceed? no one wants another of these mass killings to occur, so how do we prevent them? can we?

Absolutely nobody wants another incident like that. There is universal agreement of course.

The challenge is finding out if there is anything we can do, what should be done, while not taking freedoms away from the 99.999% of law-abiding citizens in this country.

Some have suggested stationing police at the schools - though not necessarily on open patrol. For instance, who was monitoring the cameras at Sandy Hook? If it was a cop, that guy wouldn't have gotten to far in the school - the cop is already on site and ready to respond. Much like the guys at NORAD on duty, without a missile launch it'd be a pretty boring job, but somebody needs to be there if the worst happens.

The really big thing is we have (thank God) a pretty free society. Unfortunately that means that criminals will always have the initiative. Outside of totalitarianism based on 24/7 surveillance, I don't know how you change that. The criminal is the one who decides when and how to initiate any crime.

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._suggests.html

an interesting article about violence in the united states over the decades.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

We can't prevent a psycho from doing something psychotic unfortunately. But I don't understand the need for civilians to possess semi automatic weapons.

I think it should be a lot harder for people to obtain guns. I know what the 2nd amendment says, but maybe we need to look into this more. Clearly, this monster had serious issues. His mother was a doomsday prepper so I think we can assume she was pretty nutty as well.

How was she able to obtain the kind of weapons she did, and why did she think it was a good idea to teach her clearly troubled son how to shoot?

I believe it should be a lot harder, if not impossible, for any whackjob like that nut to get any firearm. But making the whole process harder for everybody is not something that I would support.

Do you mean all semi-automatic weapons or specifically semi-automatic rifles with a high firing rate? The reason I ask is that technically every firearm made today, except for revolvers, are semi-automatic, including the majority of 9mm handguns, and any handgun that has a magazine in the handle.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

We can't prevent a psycho from doing something psychotic unfortunately. But I don't understand the need for civilians to possess semi automatic weapons.

I think it should be a lot harder for people to obtain guns. I know what the 2nd amendment says, but maybe we need to look into this more. Clearly, this monster had serious issues. His mother was a doomsday prepper so I think we can assume she was pretty nutty as well.

How was she able to obtain the kind of weapons she did, and why did she think it was a good idea to teach her clearly troubled son how to shoot?

i know that if a psycho is hell bent on doing something, he's going to do it. it's too bad that in this case, his parent also seemed to be a loony. i haven't bought a gun in forever, i don't even know what all you have to fill out to purchase one.
as for the school...i have to think all schools must do something in regards to having all access blocked during the day. in a former job, i had to go into schools. i'd say i went into a variety of schools dozens of times, and not once did anyone ever question why i was there. that needs to change. they said lanza broke a window to gain access to the school. i think all admins need to take a look at their buildings and do what's needed to bar access to every person who might want to get in and do harm. businesses are taking more steps every day, whether it's key pads on doors, gates, cameras, etc.

but yeah, we don't have the capacity to stop every thing that could possibly happen...and that is what frustrates people the most. life is random, evil is as well. hopefully more people will be more willing to step up and say 'hey, this guy needs help'.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I believe it should be a lot harder, if not impossible, for any whackjob like that nut to get any firearm. But making the whole process harder for everybody is not something that I would support.

Do you mean all semi-automatic weapons or specifically semi-automatic rifles with a high firing rate? The reason I ask is that technically every firearm made today, except for revolvers, are semi-automatic, including the majority of 9mm handguns, and any handgun that has a magazine in the handle.

You know what I am saying. With a high firing rate.

[Danzig]

i think all private sales of guns should be halted, immediately.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know that if a psycho is hell bent on doing something, he's going to do it. it's too bad that in this case, his parent also seemed to be a loony. i haven't bought a gun in forever, i don't even know what all you have to fill out to purchase one.
as for the school...i have to think all schools must do something in regards to having all access blocked during the day. in a former job, i had to go into schools. i'd say i went into a variety of schools dozens of times, and not once did anyone ever question why i was there. that needs to change. they said lanza broke a window to gain access to the school. i think all admins need to take a look at their buildings and do what's needed to bar access to every person who might want to get in and do harm. businesses are taking more steps every day, whether it's key pads on doors, gates, cameras, etc.

but yeah, we don't have the capacity to stop every thing that could possibly happen...and that is what frustrates people the most. life is random, evil is as well. hopefully more people will be more willing to step up and say 'hey, this guy needs help'.

Unfortunately the media has been their usual irresponsible selves, so I'm not really sure if he broke a window, or shot through the locked doors as I had read.

But yeah, having access into schools should be something to look at. But then when you look at the movie theatre shooting and the mall shootings...obviously that doesn't work.

Stricter gun control laws would though. No reason for anyone not in the military to have access to some of these weapons, IMO.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You know what I am saying. With a high firing rate.

That's what I figured - just asking. Some of the reporters in coverage I have seen over the last couple of days have been generalizing to "semi-automatic" as if that always meant M-16 or AK-47.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think all private sales of guns should be halted, immediately.

That would not have prevented this nut from stealing his mother's guns (after killing her with same).

If the goal is really to make laws in response to this incident, that doesn't fit.