nsa whistleblower e snowden

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...veillance.html


If You're OK With Surveillance Because You Have "Nothing to Hide," Think AgainBy Danah Boyd
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Posted Tuesday, June 11, 2013, at 11:14 AM

read this, if you are one of those saying 'i have nothing to hide, why worry'.

[Rudeboyelvis]

[Danzig]

^^^

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

#5..did the 'do not call' list expire?...haven't rec'd many spam calls past few years but had two this morn...one calling to tell me my computer had malware and a virus and was gonna crash...caller sounded like she was from
Nairobi, could barely understand her...told her i didn't have a computer and hung up...2nd call even worse, could barely hear her and hung up...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Here's a shocker - the Govt not exactly being truthful about how NSA saved us from a terrorist plot:


>>> WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration declassified a handful of details Tuesday that credited its PRISM Internet spying program with intercepting a key email that unraveled a 2009 terrorist plot in New York.

The details, declassified by the director of national intelligence, were circulated on Capitol Hill as part of government efforts to tamp down criticism of two recently revealed National Security Agency surveillance programs.

Najibullah Zazi's foiled plot to bomb the New York subways has become the centerpiece of that effort. It remains the most serious al-Qaida plot inside the United States since the 9/11 terror attacks.

In the rush to defend the surveillance programs, however, government officials have changed their stories and misstated key facts of the Zazi plot. And they've left out one important detail: The email that disrupted the plan could easily have been intercepted without PRISM.<<<


http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/1...tle-little.htm

[Danzig]

as colbert explained, with less freedom, terrorists won't want to attack us any more. a win win situation when you look at it that way!!

i think the world has turned upside down. people are actually cheering the aclu because of the suit they filed yesterday, and that doesn't happen often. lefties screaming for obama's head, righties cheering his admins encroachments on our liberties.

drones killing us citizens with no due process.
irs using their power politically
phones, emails, etc being gathered en masse, with no individualized suspicion-that'll come later.

feinstein and boehner on the same side! crazy stuff.

[Danzig]

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...4.html?ml=po_r


“Trust me” is President Barack Obama’s preferred mode of action in times of crisis — and his go-to comment to nervous staffers has always been some version of “Relax, I got this.”

But that message is an increasingly hard sell for Obama in his second term, following revelations that the man who once railed against the Bush administration over civil liberties abuses has himself surreptitiously quarterbacked the greatest expansion of electronic surveillance in U.S. history.



“I’m not sure people are confident that the administration has this totally under control,” he told POLITICO. “It seems that there’s something new every day — the IRS, this — and that’s giving people lack of confidence in government. … This is the kind of stuff people used to only see in the movies, that the government can listen to everybody’s calls.”



Obama is both a constitutional law professor and a commander in chief, and those dueling identities seem to be arm-wrestling since a pair of bombshell reports that he had OK’d the collection of nearly all the country’s cell phone data and that he expanded a Bush-era program that trawled the Internet for foreign-linked terrorist activity

[Danzig]

i like the saying...


'trust, but verify'. mr president, it's time to explain yourself.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as colbert explained, with less freedom, terrorists won't want to attack us any more. a win win situation when you look at it that way!!

i think the world has turned upside down. people are actually cheering the aclu because of the suit they filed yesterday, and that doesn't happen often. lefties screaming for obama's head, righties cheering his admins encroachments on our liberties.

drones killing us citizens with no due process.
irs using their power politically
phones, emails, etc being gathered en masse, with no individualized suspicion-that'll come later.

feinstein and boehner on the same side! crazy stuff.

Our Forefathers warned us explicitly about this, but when children are brought up for generations in public schools where the Constitution no longer even taught, it is hard to fault the younger people for being blind.

In just 8 short years, we will have college grads that have never known life before the Patriot act - it is all they grew up with, so they have no idea what our liberties were like before it.

Meanwhile, you still have the hawks continuing to draw us into even more conflicts - McCain visit to Syria for example - I saw him interviewed upon his return and was sickened by the same, tired saber-rattling ... For a guy that spent time in a tiger box as a POW he surely has never seen a war he didn't like.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as colbert explained, with less freedom, terrorists won't want to attack us any more. a win win situation when you look at it that way!!

i think the world has turned upside down. people are actually cheering the aclu because of the suit they filed yesterday, and that doesn't happen often. lefties screaming for obama's head, righties cheering his admins encroachments on our liberties.

drones killing us citizens with no due process.
irs using their power politically
phones, emails, etc being gathered en masse, with no individualized suspicion-that'll come later.

feinstein and boehner on the same side! crazy stuff.

Another Colbert brainstorm..love it..
and even that SC sissy on board with Obama's moves..

[Calzone Lord]

The Feds have no business in our business.

[Danzig]

'But, increasingly, Obama’s determination to solve the surveillance puzzle himself reflects his growing allegiance to the office he occupies and a determination, shared with his immediate predecessor, not to cede executive power to the other branches.'


doug, your post cracked me up, and i'd have been both surprised and disappointed had you said you would spy on anyone other than hot chicks.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Our Forefathers warned us explicitly about this, but when children are brought up for generations in public schools where the Constitution no longer even taught, it is hard to fault the younger people for being blind.

In just 8 short years, we will have college grads that have never known life before the Patriot act - it is all they grew up with, so they have no idea what our liberties were like before it.

Meanwhile, you still have the hawks continuing to draw us into even more conflicts - McCain visit to Syria for example - I saw him interviewed upon his return and was sickened by the same, tired saber-rattling ... For a guy that spent time in a tiger box as a POW he surely has never seen a war he didn't like.

it is a shame that schools ignore certain things-just saw a sixth grade class teacher showed 'saw', good move teach! i always made sure to have books, etc, and talk to my kids about things that school couldn't teach. my three are seething just like i am about all this. we're all history nuts...and many aren't. but, history can teach us so much, such as if people had paid attention years ago when i said 'remember the alien and sedition acts?' and got funny looks.

and mccain and his visit-what a joke!!

[bigrun]

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

From the article:

<"Snowden said he decided to leave his family, girlfriend and a comfortable, $200,000-a-year salary behind, and flew to Hong Kong on May 20. He said he chose China because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent.">

Saywhatcomeagain?

You can't compare Hong Kong to mainland China. There is obviously no free speech in China. Hong Kong is totally different. There is free speech in Hong Kong.

[Danzig]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/wo...anted=all&_r=0


most likely would be extradited from HK.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You can't compare Hong Kong to mainland China. There is obviously no free speech in China. Hong Kong is totally different. There is free speech in Hong Kong.

Except he didn't say "Hong Kong," he said, "China." And it's not as free as you think:

http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/f...2012/hong-kong

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Except he didn't say "Hong Kong," he said, "China." And it's not as free as you think:

http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/f...2012/hong-kong

eh, china...hong kong...what's the difference?

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-cartoo...140004286.html


oh. great. getting mocked by china. that's heartwarming.

'The Chinese media are gleefully reporting recent leaks about widespread US surveillance programs, while a prominent Chinese dissident is expressing dismay that the US is "behaving like China."'

and others:

'Mr. Snowden’s journey has been covered by news outlets from Spain to Saudi Arabia, with headlines like “Obama Isn’t Bush, But He’s Like Him,” “Edward Snowden, Freedom Fighter,” “NSA surveillance: The US is behaving like China,” and "Dangers of blowing the whistle in the digital age" slapped on front pages and websites.'


"For months, Washington has been accusing China of cyberespionage, but it turns out that the biggest threat to the pursuit of individual freedom and privacy in the US is the unbridled power of the government," The China Daily quoted Li Haidong from China Foreign Affairs University.

A cartoon in the paper’s opinion section depicts a US emblem of freedom – The Statue of Liberty – trailed by a shadowy spy wearing headphones and carrying recording devices.



sigh

[Danzig]

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