Ed DeRosa tweets get attention after the Shuvee - Page 2

cmorioles · #21 07-23-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

Most serious horseplayers I know are east coast guys, and they all think he is terrific.

ateamstupid · #22 07-23-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

She won twice at OP, though that really isn't "east". East of California, sure.

She flew over those treacherous Rockies. What more do you want?

randallscott35 · #23 07-23-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Most serious horseplayers I know are east coast guys, and they all think he is terrific.

You know that's only because Torre is a part owner....cmon

Danzig · #24 07-23-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

Zenyatta did ship east and run on dirt twice if memory serves. She was dominant at Oaklawn and missed by a nose in the Breeders Cup Classic at Churchill.

Zenyatta did get a ton of hype. I don't know if she was an all time great. But, the idea that she couldn't run on a real surface strikes me as plain silly.

Paul

not zenyatta again...

but i have to say, i can't believe arkansas is now considered 'east'. she shipped in an easterly direction, but i do believe that states on the western side of the mississippi river aren't considered eastern states. matter of fact, i think the original line of demarcation was the appalachians...this side of the cumberland gap is east?

Danzig · #25 07-23-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

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Originally Posted by pointman

Where is this perception? Game on Dude has danced every dance, I have never heard anyone say that because he has won races in California he is just ok.

The criticism about Zenyatta was the level of competition she was generally placed against, not that she was based in California.

10 pnt move up · #26 07-23-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

I was not talking about you, I see your show and you know it because I make comments.

Did you see Ed's tweets, the perception among some people is out there.

10 pnt move up · #27 07-23-2013, 05:34 PM

I will pull up an older article from your partner in crime from Talking Horses last Sunday...he was making this very point after the Santa Anita Handicap, maybe the race before.

Clip-Clop · #28 07-23-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

not zenyatta again...

but i have to say, i can't believe arkansas is now considered 'east'. she shipped in an easterly direction, but i do believe that states on the western side of the mississippi river aren't considered eastern states. matter of fact, i think the original line of demarcation was the appalachians...this side of the cumberland gap is east?

Quiet Yankee!

Danzig · #29 07-23-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Quiet Yankee!

lol

i was born in maryland, south of the mason dixon...thus, not a yankee.

of course people down here think if you were born north of I-40, that you're a yankee (i guess i'm a damn yankee, as i came down and never left!).

AlreadyHome · #30 07-23-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

You know that's only because Torre is a part owner....cmon

LOL wow your a fire starter hahaahah go Yankees

Zenyatta is the Ultimate Mare enuff said
Her races were the most exciting to watch, wow
Watching her change gears coming on the grandstand side just
Thrilling Rrrrrrrr..
I'm still lol this thread is a funny read

Danzig · #31 07-23-2013, 08:04 PM

this tweet got me:

samantha siegel ‏@jayemesssam 20 Jul
@EJXD2 she's not her clone Ed! Big gaps between races a big clue. Stupid argument!

big gap between races? i thought that was common with shirreff horses? and if she was needing a race, then why the shuvee first off a layoff?

parsixfarms · #32 07-24-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

big gap between races? i thought that was common with shirreff horses? and if she was needing a race, then why the shuvee first off a layoff?

Because their other option, a NW2X allowance race, didn't fill.

Danzig · #33 07-24-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Because their other option, a NW2X allowance race, didn't fill.

again, the trainer doesn't strike me as someone who would rush, or put her in a race she wasn't ready for.
i think samantha is off on her point-i think the gate incident probably is the main reason she didn't run well.

NavalOrange · #34 07-24-2013, 11:01 AM

Why wasn't the sister scratched from the Shuvee. Did they not check her after the gate incident to realize she was hurt. My son was at the finish line and said there was quite a bit of blodd coming from her mouth. That injury had to affect her performance.

Alabama Stakes · #35 07-24-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes, 2 dirt starts, the rest all in Cali and all on synthetic and most against tin cans...but I don't want to rehash Zenyatta, its more the concept that you can't take a weary eye to her accomplishments without being attacked.

she turned them into tin cans. how can you be so obtuse ? Broke every fillies spirit that she passed, which was every single one of them.

randallscott35 · #36 07-24-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

she turned them into tin cans. how can you be so obtuse ? Broke every fillies spirit that she passed, which was every single one of them.

OMG, do a search for Calzone Lord or whatever he was called back in the day based on her competition and what they accomplished. It is enlightening....I am now done with this thread.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #37 07-24-2013, 03:06 PM

SHAWSHANK REF.. 'how can you be so obtuse'

WHAT HAPPENED IN THE B.C?

10 pnt move up · #38 07-24-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

OMG, do a search for Calzone Lord or whatever he was called back in the day based on her competition and what they accomplished. It is enlightening....I am now done with this thread.

Who DIDNT she beat that was running in the female division? She raced in three breeders cups for God's sake, its not like she ducked the big races.

Danzig · #39 07-24-2013, 03:24 PM

i just want to say 'thank you' to stickhorse, for starting this thread. it's gone swimmingly.

cmorioles · #40 07-24-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who DIDNT she beat that was running in the female division? She raced in three breeders cups for God's sake, its not like she ducked the big races.

She raced the same female scrubs all year long over and over in SoCal except for the BC. Granted, that his how racing goes these days. It was a double edged sword in that no trainers with good females wanted to face her much either.

But, she could have been tried in tougher races all over the country as well as at home. She didn't race in a single Big Cap, Hollywood Gold Cup, or Pacific Classic.