Presidential Communication

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're struggling to understand what he meant?

No, just pointing out that both parties have consistent supporters, and I wasn't sure if he disagrees with both parties.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Gore Vidal selected quotes...



“It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people” (how true. note that many corporations give to both parties. that way, they're in the pols pockets regardless of who wins the election)

Now you have people in Washington who have no interest in the country at all. They're interested in their companies, their corporations grabbing Caspian oil.


Democracy is supposed to give you the feeling of choice, like Painkiller X and Painkiller Y. But they're both just aspirin.

I agree with much of what you say here. It is true no doubt.

We technically have a republic, not a democracy - but that makes it all the more important who is selected by the voters to represent us.

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree with much of what you say here. It is true no doubt.

We technically have a republic, not a democracy - but that makes it all the more important who is selected by the voters to represent us.

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

You will understand it more if you look into the mirror this morning. When was the last time you voted for someone not from the bloods?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree with much of what you say here. It is true no doubt.

We technically have a republic, not a democracy - but that makes it all the more important who is selected by the voters to represent us.

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

high re-election rates due to party control, money and the like.

i like the thought of term limits, but the parties would only insert a new candidate and keep the seat. and if a seat holder doesn't toe the line, they support someone else-see joe lieberman. and not everyone has the money to run as an independant and win the general election, like lieberman did.

what we need is campaign finance reform-again. but that won't happen, because why would pols slit their own throat? and scotus didn't help with its citizens united ruling, which is looking more and more like a bad move.
the common man, which is most of us, has no voice any more. thus, legislation will be for those with a voice, and that would be the rich.
this is why taxes continue to drop for the rich, no one else, you have legislation written by corporations, the minimum wage won't budge, all to aid the bottom lines of those with all the power and money and all the say.

Originally Posted by joeydb

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

It's called gerrymandering (but you know that, I'm sure).

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

It's called gerrymandering (but you know that, I'm sure).

I am familiar with gerrymandering. But people do move too, and the redistricting only occurs every 10 years in response to census data. 90%+ effective though? Still surprising.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I am familiar with gerrymandering. But people do move to, and the redistricting only occurs every 10 years in response to census data. 90%+ effective though? Still surprising.

people tend to move to a place with people of similar background. no surprise that demographics of an area don't change.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

relative to the subject, good going virginia. of course, that's another example of one having to hold ones nose while voting, but i think they did choose the lesser of two evils.

How sweet it is...Cuccinelli sucks..

Voters in Virginia, New Jersey leave Tea Party reeling


Related: Election 2014: McAuliffe wins Va. governors race, Christie re-elected in N.J.

And yet Cuccinelli struggled from start to finish in a race Republicans should have won easily, up against a flawed Democratic candidate in a state with a steady history of voting against the party in the White House, in this case Democratic President Barack Obama.


http://news.msn.com/us/voters-in-vir...-party-reeling

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

How sweet it is...Cuccinelli sucks..
Voters in Virginia, New Jersey leave Tea Party reeling


Related: Election 2014: McAuliffe wins Va. governors race, Christie re-elected in N.J.

And yet Cuccinelli struggled from start to finish in a race Republicans should have won easily, up against a flawed Democratic candidate in a state with a steady history of voting against the party in the White House, in this case Democratic President Barack Obama.


http://news.msn.com/us/voters-in-vir...-party-reeling

yes, he does. but i think he was trying to make that illegal.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, he does. but i think he was trying to make that illegal.

Stewart and Colbert this week lot's of

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Stewart and Colbert this week lot's of

yeah, i only have seen mondays shows. good as usual.
will try to watch last nights shows tonite. i'm getting old, can't stay up that late any more!

[geeker2]

probably spending an extra $15,000,000. didn't hurt

[hi_im_god]

meanwhile in deep blue new jersey, chris christie pulls in a majority of women and hispanic voters as well as having 3 in 10 registered democrats vote for him.

virginia pitted two deeply flawed candidates against one another and the less worse alternative won. it's interesting but hardly earth shattering news. chris christie has laid out a blueprint back to national power for republicans.

the know nothing wing will, of course, ignore this and look to burn him at the stake with other heretics who place winning elections over winning purity tests.

civil wars are never pretty. this one won't be any different. but at least you can point at new jersey and ask the extremely dumb if they actually want to ignore what their face is getting rubbed in.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

meanwhile in deep blue new jersey, chris christie pulls in a majority of women and hispanic voters as well as having 3 in 10 registered democrats vote for him.

virginia pitted two deeply flawed candidates against one another and the less worse alternative won. it's interesting but hardly earth shattering news. chris christie has laid out a blueprint back to national power for republicans.

the know nothing wing will, of course, ignore this and look to burn him at the stake with other heretics who place winning elections over winning purity tests.

civil wars are never pretty. this one won't be any different. but at least you can point at new jersey and ask the extremely dumb if they actually want to ignore what their face is getting rubbed in.

Wonder what Joey's take on future president Christie will be?

[Danzig]

i like that christie is seemingly more moderate, and won't let personal opinions on things such as gay marriage affect his decisions. i'm glad that he decided not to move forward with that appeal in new jersey regarding ssm in that state.
i wonder, tho, if his moderate stance on such things will prevent him getting the nomination? one would hope not.

i'm tired of people like rick perry, santorum, bachmann, and the like. keep your ultra right wing zealotry at home. this is a secular country, and must remain so.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

Wonder what Joey's take on future president Christie will be?

If he becomes president I'll have no problem with that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by joeydb

If he becomes president I'll have no problem with that.

How is a man who can't even control what he puts in his own mouth expected to control a government?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How is a man who can't even control what he puts in his own mouth expected to control a government?

Cool.. Christie v Hillary and Dell will be voting for Hillary because a fat man can't govern.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Cool.. Christie v Hillary and Dell will be voting for Hillary because a fat man can't govern.

Can only hope they have 'Present' as a choice then.

Christie would have been denied joining the military but commander and chief? Step up to the buffet!

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How is a man who can't even control what he puts in his own mouth expected to control a government?

I guess you could have asked William Howard Taft, Grover Cleveland or Teddy Roosevelt...