Dylan Thomas and Alexandrova to skip BC - Page 2

#21 10-12-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hey hey. Toner has trained some very good ones. And lets not forget, Fleet Indian was undefeated when I think she ran in the Alabama. Never was quite right after that, until late last year. Then she went to Pletcher. I think BTW was referring to the fact that you threw in a little jab at the end about the fans.

No jab thrown...it REALLY SUCKS FOR THE FANS IMO....seriously...

I found it fitting that he was the first one to post and it was in a negative fashion....I feel like a dogs that can't get rid of fleas....Life must really suck for some people....

Cajungator26 · #22 10-12-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No jab thrown...it REALLY SUCKS FOR THE FANS IMO....seriously...

I found it fitting that he was the first one to post and it was in a negative fashion....I feel like a dogs that can't get rid of fleas....Life must really suck for some people....

Oh wow... you really set yourself up on this comment, but I won't go there... still too early in the day.

#23 10-12-2006, 03:05 PM

BTW, I still haven't seen or heard anything on Bernardini retiring or anything to that nature yet.....

blackthroatedwind · #24 10-12-2006, 03:06 PM

You post for a reaction, Joel, and then complain when you get one?

This is absurd. Do I have to wait until two posters have responded to you? Three? Six? What is the acceptable number? Or, perhaps, you don't feel I have a right to respond.

Kasept · #25 10-12-2006, 03:16 PM

Where to start?

BTW.. I blanked the early post in an attempt to quell an instant conflagration, but it didn't actually matter so it's back up.. and I'll add to the flames myself.

I thought this pair could add intrigue to the Cup and am sorry to see that they won't come, especially the filly...

As for Jim Toner Joel... WTF? Are you kidding? That's who you belittle? You couldn't pick a guy in NY more widely respected for his horsemanship and well liked for his character. His record is impeccable and his career is filled with enviable successes. He's as "small time" as he chooses to be basically training for the Phillips' only..

blackthroatedwind · #26 10-12-2006, 03:23 PM

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but it felt like an argument was being started and I jumped in. Maybe I'm oversensitive, but when Godolphin's chief supporter on the site ( which Joel admittedly is....which doesn't make him a bad guy ) doesn't even check in on the " Bernardini retired " thread ( even if it's to say what he did in this thread...that he hadn't heard that ) but makes his first post after that thread about Coolmore ( Godolphin's big rival ) withholding horses from the BC, while suggesting one obviously had his heart broken by Bernardini ( Who as someone pointed out was always twenty in front of Dylan Thomas ) it seems to me he is looking to stir things up.

So I obliged.

Geez, I thought I was being nice....giving him what he wanted. Hey, I waited three minutes. Believe me, I'm not a patient guy, it was a LOOOOOOOOOONG three minutes.

brockguy · #27 10-12-2006, 03:35 PM

alex would have had agreat chance in the filly and mares , esp with the extended furlong...
dylan can come back better next year but Coolmore have had some mixed successes with older horses and you never know..

It may leave the door open for Scorpion (who just returned froma year out) to go to KY.. maybe not but he is a very good horse!!

philcski · #28 10-12-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

What are you talking about? More negative tone by btw....it is almost expected from you now......I'm convinced you'd argue with me about the sky being blue

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You get mad that I present news about Darley, you get mad I present news aboutCoolmore...so sue me that they have the best horses in the world...I can't help it....I can't help that your NY small-time horsemen like James Toner can't even get Fleet Indian to the winners' circle against NYRA-breds and Pletcher turns her into a division leader...I present the news and it is the big operations that provide most of it....

Because Toner doesn't use Dr. Allday. Coincidence? I think not.

Fleet Indian is the phoniest drug job I have EVER seen. I hate this horse now that she's with Pletcher (and I normally root for ALL NYB's) and she's going to be TAP's ticket to a lengthy suspension. Horses don't just magically improve 15-20 lengths from 4 to 5... especially modestly talented fillies who went off at 9-1 in a NYB stake to close out the year.

#29 10-12-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Where to start?

BTW.. I blanked the early post in an attempt to quell an instant conflagration, but it didn't actually matter so it's back up.. and I'll add to the flames myself.

I thought this pair could add intrigue to the Cup and am sorry to see that they won't come, especially the filly...

As for Jim Toner Joel... WTF? Are you kidding? That's who you belittle? You couldn't pick a guy in NY more widely respected for his horsemanship and well liked for his character. His record is impeccable and his career is filled with enviable successes. He's as "small time" as he chooses to be basically training for the Phillips' only..

I had not heard anything on Bernardini and I still haven't, so when I saw btw blast me again in negative fashion it made me believe that he was tired of me talking about the 'big boys' again....he has been very vocal about thinking I give Coolmore and Darley too much praise, but hey, they have all of the good horses and I'm just presenting news...I can't help who owns the good ones...

It is clear that I'm bashed for supporting teh people who ultimately supoport this game in the biggest financial way be people in this forum who like the 'little guy' - and so I had to point out why the little guy doesn't make the news as often and give an example that would ht home to BTW...

I'm sure Toner is a great guy and he did good things with Wonder Again, etc....but I was pointing out that the big dogs (like Pletcher) are the ones that eat the most in this game and they make the news and if people don't like seeing Goliath win - I can't help that....

I still have yet to see anywhere on the wire where Bernardini has retired.....

#30 10-12-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Because Toner doesn't use Dr. Allday. Coincidence? I think not.

Fleet Indian is the phoniest drug job I have EVER seen. I hate this horse now that she's with Pletcher (and I normally root for ALL NYB's) and she's going to be TAP's ticket to a lengthy suspension. Horses don't just magically improve 15-20 lengths from 4 to 5... especially modestly talented fillies who went off at 9-1 in a NYB stake to close out the year.

Then why doesn't he hire him if you think that is the edge? Fleet Indian has gone to the test barn for her last 6 straight wins, or wahtever it is.....competitive edges, whereever they may be, is what sepeartes 25% trainers from 12% trainers...NOT using Toner in refernce here..just making a general point....why would you not use Dr. Allday if he could take an old NY-bred mare and have her win 4 or 5 straight graded stakes?

Kasept · #31 10-12-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Then why doesn't he hire him if you think that is the edge? Fleet Indian has gone to the test barn for her last 6 straight wins, or wahtever it is.....competitive edges, whereever they may be, is what sepeartes 25% trainers from 12% trainers...NOT using Toner in refernce here..just making a general point....why would you not use Dr. Allday if he could take an old NY-bred mare and have her win 4 or 5 straight graded stakes?

Steve Allday is not taking on new clients and hasn't been for a while..

#32 10-12-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on now. They don't have all of the good horses. I think sometimes you, and most people see what they want to see. Fact is, for all of the money your guys spend buying the horses, we as fans see very little of it racing here on this soil. That sucks as racing fans.

The american breeders would disagree........

#33 10-12-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Never said anything about the breeders. I said as fans, like you did. I could give 2 sh*ts about the breeders. They are what is wrong with the game. They are the reason healthy 3 year olds retire. I'm speaking as a fan. Stop acting like you are above it all. Do you like seeing horses retire prematurely?

No, I don't and frankly I've stated how disappointed I'd be if they retire Bernardini prematurely, but let me ask you this, Mr. Trump:

What would you do if you owned an animal that was worth upwards of $100,000,000 ad that is a chip you could cash in? You would run him until he was 7, right?

philcski · #34 10-12-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Then why doesn't he hire him if you think that is the edge? Fleet Indian has gone to the test barn for her last 6 straight wins, or wahtever it is.....competitive edges, whereever they may be, is what sepeartes 25% trainers from 12% trainers...NOT using Toner in refernce here..just making a general point....why would you not use Dr. Allday if he could take an old NY-bred mare and have her win 4 or 5 straight graded stakes?

The "test barn" is a bunch of mularkey as far as im concerned. do you really think NYRA wouldn't "look the other way" if their most important trainer were a little over the limit on this way or that (especially considering things like the recent photo finish incident in indiana?) The thing that bugs me here is Pletcher has legitimately good horses like English Channel that DON'T need this crap, why risk your career on a horse like Fleet Indian when you already have half of the top 10 in the distaff division anyways??

philcski · #35 10-12-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No, I don't and frankly I've stated how disappointed I'd be if they retire Bernardini prematurely, but let me ask you this, Mr. Trump:

What would you do if you owned an animal that was worth upwards of $100,000,000 ad that is a chip you could cash in? You would run him until he was 7, right?

Sheikh Mo is worth Mr. Trump times 10.

#36 10-12-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Sheikh Mo is worth Mr. Trump times 10.

That wasn't the point...............

dr. fager · #37 10-12-2006, 04:15 PM

sort of valid...when has it ever been about the money?

I mean that'll let him overpay for about 6-7 more horses down the road and all.

philcski · #38 10-12-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That wasn't the point...............

My point is, if i were Sheikh Mo where money is no object i'd keep him in training for his 4YO career (including a stop in Dubai for the entertainment of his entourage.)

Seattleallstar · #39 10-12-2006, 04:17 PM

lol comparing Sheik Mo and Donald Trump. Its like comparing frozen salibsury steak to steak from Lugar's in NY

#40 10-12-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dr. fager

sort of valid...when has it ever been about the money?

I mean that'll let him overpay for about 6-7 more horses down the road and all.

Tis horse will stand for $200,000 or more....mark it down.....he is that good of a stallion prospect (Bernardini), probably moreso tha any other horse I've ever seen forging into the breeding market.....

It is very easy to him as a horse that could change the breed and significantly impact racing's future stars...