NYRA Knockers TAKE THIS!!! - Page 2

Revolution · #21 10-26-2006, 11:25 AM

Oh yes, now they are all cleaned up. LOL. I guess there are steroids in baseball now too. LOL. Somehow NYRA continues to lose millions each year though.

NYRA will be gone soon, so it doesn't matter. I guess you guys all hate cheaters, unless those cheaters are people you know.

Here are some funny things.

NYRA gave a $797,913 contract for Internet services to a firm owned by Michael Ferdman and his wife, Stephanie Leigh Schwartz, daughter of ex-CEO Barry Schwartz. That contract continues.

NYRA Paid two horse transporters $384,244 to move horses between the Belmont, Aqueduct and Saratoga tracks operated by NYRA. Some of the free transportation was for horses owned by NYRA board members.

NYRA owes state taxpayers $15.3 million because of mismanagement

Revolution · #22 10-26-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And by the way sweetheart, these are old charges that NYRA has satisfied, so please since you are claiming to deal in facts, we need current criminals, as you suggest, not ones who are no longer associated with NYRA.

Oh I understand, they are reformed criminals. That always works great. LOL.

Why don't we let guys who embezzled money from banks stay on the job. They will be reformed, right? LOL.

If you can't turn a profit, get out. The taxpayers aren't here to subsidize mismanagement.

Revolution · #23 10-26-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

BTW you are asking the wrong person for facts. It's tough to give facts when you come here with an agenda, and are at least 3 or 4 different people.

I am one person and I regularly go to Belmont. To this day, tellers still try to rip off gamblers and NYRA does nothing about it.

There is no reason why my tax dollar should be subsidizing corruption. Make it a for profit entity.

A non-profit in horse racing is ridiculous, and that goes for Keeneland too. They aren't really non-profits, they are ways for people that are corrupt to milk money out of the system. Keeneland is a non-profit that just happens to own polytrack. What a joke. It isn't just NYRA, but in NY it is my tax dollar.

blackthroatedwind · #24 10-26-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Here are some funny things.

NYRA gave a $797,913 contract for Internet services to a firm owned by Michael Ferdman and his wife, Stephanie Leigh Schwartz, daughter of ex-CEO Barry Schwartz. That contract continues.

NYRA Paid two horse transporters $384,244 to move horses between the Belmont, Aqueduct and Saratoga tracks operated by NYRA. Some of the free transportation was for horses owned by NYRA board members.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a loser!

That contract does NOT continue. As for the specifics of Michael's work on the website, perhaps Barry should have forseen the appearance of a conflict of interest, but the facts ( since you are the self-proclaimed fact matron of this site ) are that his firm did the job and charged no more than any other competent firm would have charged for a comparable job.

Yes, they paid for transportation for those who paid to stable their horses at NYRA tracks other than the one currently racing. Nobody was treated differently, whether you were a trustee or Lael Stable or Joe Nobody, and this claim you, factgal, have chosen to use as an example was actually a distortion of the facts as no rules were broken.

Keep up the good work!

blackthroatedwind · #25 10-26-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Oh I understand, they are reformed criminals. That always works great. LOL.

Why don't we let guys who embezzled money from banks stay on the job. They will be reformed, right? LOL.

If you can't turn a profit, get out. The taxpayers aren't here to subsidize mismanagement.

Sorry darling but I am still waiting for the list of even reformed-criminals still working at NYRA

Revolution · #26 10-26-2006, 11:36 AM

Excellent points by Gary Delabonte. lol

The really funny thing though is how NYRA just left out Breeders Cup weekend from last year. If they included it the numbers would be down. What do we just pick the numbers we like. Last I checked the point was to increase handle no matter what, and NYRA did not do that.

It is like a pizza parlor in a Superbowl city going out of business and saying our revenue was up this year if you don't count the superbowl weekend from last year. Who cares. The revenues are still down.

blackthroatedwind · #27 10-26-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

I am one person and I regularly go to Belmont. To this day, tellers still try to rip off gamblers and NYRA does nothing about it.

There is no reason why my tax dollar should be subsidizing corruption. Make it a for profit entity.

A non-profit in horse racing is ridiculous, and that goes for Keeneland too. They aren't really non-profits, they are ways for people that are corrupt to milk money out of the system. Keeneland is a non-profit that just happens to own polytrack. What a joke. It isn't just NYRA, but in NY it is my tax dollar.

WHICH tellers???? I will have those criminals led out in cuffs.

By the way, a little quiet at Belmont when you showed up yesterday? Or, perhaps you didn't notice.

Kasept · #28 10-26-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Oh yes, now they are all cleaned up. LOL. I guess there are steroids in baseball now too. LOL. Somehow NYRA continues to lose millions each year though.

NYRA will be gone soon, so it doesn't matter. I guess you guys all hate cheaters, unless those cheaters are people you know.

Here are some funny things.

NYRA gave a $797,913 contract for Internet services to a firm owned by Michael Ferdman and his wife, Stephanie Leigh Schwartz, daughter of ex-CEO Barry Schwartz. That contract continues.

NYRA Paid two horse transporters $384,244 to move horses between the Belmont, Aqueduct and Saratoga tracks operated by NYRA. Some of the free transportation was for horses owned by NYRA board members.

NYRA owes state taxpayers $15.3 million because of mismanagement

Rev,

With due respect, you're points are misdirected.. If you want to say the franchise is better off in the hands of a for-profit, then just say so and say why. But to drag dead issues up over and over and over is pointless. You continue to use the misdeeds of prior management to paint current management as responsible.

Frank Stronach paid his son $2-$3 million in severance pay for the job he held at Gulfstream less than 4 months... What's your point? That nepotism finds its' way into business? Change your moniker to "Revolation" then..

You continue to EVADE the germain issue that the Noe-Meyocks-Schwartz administrations are long gone at NYRA... You refuse to address that.

And not to pull the insights card, but you're off base on where the alliances lie in terms of the state government and the forces involved with the bidding.

AND.. the marketing company has been widely lauded for the excellent response(s) their campaigns had in Saratoga attendence and visitors to the city.

AND, the Shuttle is NOT for Board members horses.. It's for anyone's horses that stable up or downstate and have to travel up or downstate to run at AQU, BEL and SAR...

You want a corporate entity running racing in NY? Fine.. But stop with misinformation and redressing of issues unconnected to those that have been running NY racing since Barry Schwartz resigned. It's unfair and you're perpetuating fallacies.

Revolution · #29 10-26-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sorry darling but I am still waiting for the list of even reformed-criminals still working at NYRA

Yeah, and I am waiting from the evidence on Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield and Jason Giambi. Give it up.

Did anyone know the names of the criminals when they were running rampant for all those years. Even if i knew names, I wouldn't give them, somebody like your friends would probably come break my knees. LOL.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #30 10-26-2006, 11:41 AM

chantal getting mounts could be a looked at as a crime..

blackthroatedwind · #31 10-26-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Yeah, and I am waiting from the evidence on Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield and Jason Giambi. Give it up.

Did anyone know the names of the criminals when they were running rampant for all those years. Even if i knew names, I wouldn't give them, somebody like your friends would probably come break my knees. LOL.

You MUST know who they are since you continually call them criminals. I see no reason you and I shouldn't have a sit down with senior NYRA management so that you can tell them who these criminals are. I am quite certain they would greatly appreciate your help.

If you can't do this, then you aren't " just dealing in facts ", as you claimed earlier, and in fact are a disingenuous liar.

No surprise.

Revolution · #32 10-26-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Rev,

With due respect, you're points are misdirected.. If you want to say the franchise is better off in the hands of a for-profit, then just say so and say why. But to drag dead issues up over and over and over is pointless. You continue to use the misdeeds of prior management to paint current management as responsible.

Frank Stronach paid his son $2-$3 million in severance pay for the job he held at Gulfstream less than 4 months... What's your point? That nepotism finds its' way into business? Change your moniker to "Revolation" then..

You continue to EVADE the germain issue that the Noe-Meyocks-Schwartz administrations are long gone at NYRA... You refuse to address that.

And not to pull the insights card, but you're off base on where the alliances lie in terms of the state government and the forces involved with the bidding.

AND.. the marketing company has been widely lauded for the excellent response(s) their campaigns had in Saratoga attendence and visitors to the city.

AND, the Shuttle is NOT for Board members horses.. It's for anyone's horses that stable up or downstate and have to travel up or downstate to run at AQU, BEL and SAR...

You want a corporate entity running racing in NY? Fine.. But stop with misinformation and redressing of issues unconnected to those that have been running NY racing since Barry Schwartz resigned. It's unfair and you're perpetuating fallacies.

Nothing against you, but you have no credibility here. Does Carolina Barbeque have a contract with NYRA? Do they allow you to charge $3.50 for a coke at a non-profit racetrack? Don't tell me there aren't payoffs and kickbacks to get space selling food at Saratoga. That would be an insult to my intelligence.

Stronach can do whatever he wants. He has shareholders to answer to. Who does NYRA answer to? The taxpayers, and the taxpayers are me.

If NYRA is so well run now, How come they are still losing money, BY THE MILLIONS?

Just make it a for-profit, like everything else that runs correctly in america. How does a non-profit benefit horse racing. It doesn't.

SentToStud · #33 10-26-2006, 11:44 AM

give it a couple months... all will be forgotten... then the frankie stronach bashing will take over.

Revolution · #34 10-26-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You MUST know who they are since you continually call them criminals. I see no reason you and I shouldn't have a sit down with senior NYRA management so that you can tell them who these criminals are. I am quite certain they would greatly appreciate your help.

If you can't do this, then you aren't " just dealing in facts ", as you claimed earlier, and in fact are a disingenuous liar.

No surprise.

I would sit down with them, but thankfully they will be gone soon enough.

blackthroatedwind · #35 10-26-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

I would sit down with them, but thankfully they will be gone soon enough.

They will be around long enough to meet you.

Should they make the trip over from Aqueduct today to meet you at Belmont? My guess is you'll be easy to find.

Revolution · #36 10-26-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Steve can defend himself but this is typical of your crew. Deflect, deflect, deflect. You question his credibility, what exactly is your credibility?

My credibility is that I am a NY taxpayer and this non-profit is sucking millions out of the NY taxpayers pocket, frequently redistributing my tax dollar to their friends. It if was a for profit, I would have no problem with NYRA. They would have shareholders to answer to.

blackthroatedwind · #37 10-26-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Steve can defend himself but this is typical of your crew. Deflect, deflect, deflect. You question his credibility, what exactly is your credibility?

Credibility????? You fool! This is the internet....this particular self-proclaimed fact-matron needs no credibility. All she needs is a user ID....that's her credibility.

Revolution · #38 10-26-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They will be around long enough to meet you.

Should they make the trip over from Aqueduct today to meet you at Belmont? My guess is you'll be easy to find.

Yeah, they could take the horse shuttle, or a private car service and charge the taxpayer $100 for the trip. LOL.

If NYRA is so great, why can't they do this as a for profit. Why do they need to be a non-profit? Perhaps because it is a little harder when you have to answer to shareholders than corrupt politicians that can be bought off with a few seats at Saratoga.

blackthroatedwind · #39 10-26-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

My credibility is that I am a NY taxpayer and this non-profit is sucking millions out of the NY taxpayers pocket, frequently redistributing my tax dollar to their friends. It if was a for profit, I would have no problem with NYRA. They would have shareholders to answer to.

Really? So the racing that NYRA puts on NET takes money out of taxpayer's pockets? Really?

Even for someone as obviously challenged as you this is a pretty stupid thought.

Kasept · #40 10-26-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Nothing against you, but you have no credibility here. Does Carolina Barbeque have a contract with NYRA? Do they allow you to charge $3.50 for a coke at a non-profit racetrack? Don't tell me there aren't payoffs and kickbacks to get space selling food at Saratoga. That would be an insult to my intelligence..

I think my credibility speaks for itself.. And consider your intelligence insulted because vendors work with Centerplate, the contract feeder that operates concessions at the tracks. NYRA has no day to day involvement with the foodservice operations. NONE. Is Centerplate not entitled to make money on their investments in operating the concessions? They AREN'T a non-profit. They do however have to move equptment all over thye place and bring staff upstate to run the SAR operation, etc. Again, you are out of your element on this topic.

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Stronach can do whatever he wants. He has shareholders to answer to..

Really? Then you know nothing of the structure of his stock. Why don't you pick up the new book about Stronach, MEC and Magna Corporate. You'll be very surprised...

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Originally Posted by Revolution

If NYRA is so well run now, How come they are still losing money, BY THE MILLIONS? Just make it a for-profit, like everything else that runs correctly in america. How does a non-profit benefit horse racing. It doesn't.

Tough and fair question.. I'd have to guess that a lot of the financial struggles stem from the issues with the NY OTB Corporations, the poor structuring of that relationship as originally legislated by the State, and the original under-valued contracts with them and with other signal vendors.

All things that can be fixed. A non-profit can benefit the game by taking the shareholder equity issue out of the equation. If no money has to go in that direction, it can be funneled back into the facilities, the purses, the game, the state's breeding program, etc.

I respect that many believe we're all better off with a for-profit, but I'm kind of perplexed that you find the benefit of a non-profit model hard to understand or appreciate.