Problems with Hollywood park's new track? - Page 2

Danzig · #21 11-19-2006, 12:57 PM

i would say basing choosing poly on one days racing at churchill will give you skewed results.
i guess it all depends on what kind of bias you want...keeneland went from favoring speed to favoring closers, it's still a bias.

The Bid · #22 11-19-2006, 01:06 PM

Churchill couldnt be any less cuppy

SCUDSBROTHER · #23 11-19-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

i would say basing choosing poly on one days racing at churchill will give you skewed results.
i guess it all depends on what kind of bias you want...keeneland went from favoring speed to favoring closers, it's still a bias.

I want the daily biases eliminated as much as possible,and the artificial is a step forward for that.I am fine with a consistent surface bias(favoring speed or raters consistently for days and weeks etc.)The daily inside/outside biases got to go,and if articial is better for that,then I am all for it.After that sht at Churchill,I will never favor dirt to an artificial surface.That was dirt,and that was a pathetic situation.People often have 1 shot to win a Breeders Cup race,and how can you claim that the surface that day gave all a good fair chance? It didn't.So,I am not saying that these artificial surfaces are perfect,but I am saying that you can't do worse than sticking to the same old bias friendly dirt.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #24 11-19-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I want the daily biases eliminated as much as possible,and the artificial is a step forward for that.I am fine with a consistent surface bias(favoring speed or raters consistently for days and weeks etc.)The daily inside/outside biases got to go,and if articial is better for that,then I am all for it.After that sht at Churchill,I will never favor dirt to an artificial surface.That was dirt,and that was a pathetic situation.People often have 1 shot to win a Breeders Cup race,and how can you claim that the surface that day gave all a good fair chance? It didn't.So,I am not saying that these artificial surfaces are perfect,but I am saying that you can't do worse than sticking to the same old bias friendly dirt.

are they going to run today scuds..

#25 11-19-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Mike, you're really going to milk this particular " I told you so "....aren't you

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I, of course, agree and can't say I'm not enjoying seeing all the problems. I'll never understand people's hurry to embrace something that hasn't been tested. Never said Polytrack was bad, per se, but accepting anything without an extensive testing period hardly seemed sensible. At least these unsurprising, and immediate, problems should give everybody legitimate cause for pause.

Always glad to see one of the only public voices of reason, Andy Beyer, proven right once again.

Your buddy the trainer once told me something I have never forgotten. he said "Whenever you see a bunch of English guys in suits trying to sell or push something, run as far away as fast as you can". The man has never given me advice that wasn't proven right at some point in time.

SCUDSBROTHER · #26 11-19-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

are they going to run today scuds..

Don't know.Should have an announcement in the next hour.I will take this surface over dirt anytime though.If you want catsht going gate to wire,then stick to the dirt at Anita.

Danzig · #27 11-19-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Your buddy the trainer once told me something I have never forgotten. he said "Whenever you see a bunch of English guys in suits trying to sell or push something, run as far away as fast as you can". The man has never given me advice that wasn't proven right at some point in time.

ah, here's a joke for you...(anyone who has owned a brit-made car will relate)

why aren't there any english-made computers?

they couldn't find a way to make them leak oil onto your desk.

2Hot4TV · #28 11-19-2006, 01:33 PM

At 11:30 pacific time they are going to gallop 5 or six horses with race riding jockeys to determine if the track is ready to be raced on.

It appears they have been too quick to respond to everybodys complaints and concerns about the track. Right intentions, just wrong results.

Trying to make everybody happy got them in a spot that they they weren't equipped to get out of.

Danzig · #29 11-19-2006, 01:34 PM

the old adage, attempt to please everyone--you end up pleasing no one.

everyone should just stick to pleasuring themselves....

2Hot4TV · #30 11-19-2006, 02:17 PM

Hollywoods 1st post time has been moved back to 1pm

SCUDSBROTHER · #31 11-19-2006, 03:47 PM

I think they're going to run today.Flores wants to,but Nakatani may nix it.Depends on which faction wins out.Some want it 100%,and it won't be 100% until Wednesday.Some changes in elevation still exist(although getting much better.)

hoovesupsideyourhead · #32 11-19-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think they're going to run today.Flores wants to,but Nakatani may nix it.Depends on which faction wins out.Some want it 100%,and it won't be 100% until Wednesday.Some changes in elevation still exist(although getting much better.)

run dammit

SCUDSBROTHER · #33 11-19-2006, 03:50 PM

Game on,boys.

#34 11-19-2006, 04:46 PM

Holy ****. Just watched the 2nd race from Hollywood(I missed the 1st) and as they rounded the turn into the stretch the amount of kickback I saw was incredible. It looked like huge amounts of kickback were flying straight back behind the horses. Is this the problem they were having with the track?
The kickback looked fierce and was flying straight back, not hanging in a cloud like at Turfway. Thats gotta sting.

SCUDSBROTHER · #35 11-19-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Holy ****. Just watched the 2nd race from Hollywood(I missed the 1st) and as they rounded the turn into the stretch the amount of kickback I saw was incredible. It looked like huge amounts of kickback were flying straight back behind the horses. Is this the problem they were having with the track?
The kickback looked fierce and was flying straight back, not hanging in a cloud like at Turfway. Thats gotta sting.

They're having problems with elevation changes on the track.They improved them enough to run,but will work on them even more for Wednesday.I believe the biggest problem is over by the break coming out of the clubhouse turn.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #36 11-19-2006, 05:17 PM

havisu s ride is so suspect...wtf

georgewashington · #37 11-19-2006, 05:17 PM

The problem is human error taking care of the surface. The surface is working. Injuries are way down. The surface they put in is not as good as poly though, but that is coming from somebody that is partial to KY, not CA.

So far the number of injuries is way down," Panza said. "The first seven to eight weeks of training it was staggering how few injuries we had. Then as we got horses with physical issues from other tracks, the numbers picked up, but they are nowhere comparable to last year or previous years. This time last year I had 1,100 horses stabled here; this year there are 1,800.

Rupert Pupkin · #38 11-19-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Holy ****. Just watched the 2nd race from Hollywood(I missed the 1st) and as they rounded the turn into the stretch the amount of kickback I saw was incredible. It looked like huge amounts of kickback were flying straight back behind the horses. Is this the problem they were having with the track?
The kickback looked fierce and was flying straight back, not hanging in a cloud like at Turfway. Thats gotta sting.

I noticed the huge amount of kickback today also. They usually don't have that much kickback. They were tinkering with the track all morning trying to even it out. I think they dug it up much deeper than normal and that's why there is so much kickback.

There are actually large chunks of rubber in this track. Some of them are about half the size of golf balls. The rubber in the track at Keeneland is much more finely ground. They don't have big chunks of rubber in the track at Keeneland.

Anyway, I don't think the problems at Hollywood are too serious. I think they'll be able to straighten things out. The problems at Woodbine look much more serious.

Downthestretch55 · #39 11-19-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I noticed the huge amount of kickback today also. They usually don't have that much kickback. They were tinkering with the track all morning trying to even it out. I think they dug it up much deeper than normal and that's why there is so much kickback.

There are actually large chunks of rubber in this track. Some of them are about half the size of golf balls. The rubber in the track at Keeneland is much more finely ground. They don't have big chunks of rubber in the track at Keeneland.

Anyway, I don't think the problems at Hollywood are too serious. I think they'll be able to straighten things out. The problems at Woodbine look much more serious.

Rupert,
Sit down cause I'm going tell you something, and I don't want you to fall down if you're standing up.
I agree with you.
Yes, I'll say it again, I agree with you.
That said, and I'm sure Mike and others will chime in, does anyone besides me see that poly plays differently at different tracks, in different climates?
Where it's cold (frosted) like Woodbine, it seperates.
Keenland is finer.
Hollywood, I honestly don't know much.
Sure, I'm all for the safety of the horses, but haven't some been hurt on it anyway?
Just my two pennies...poly in one place is comething completely different in other places.
DTS

Danzig · #40 11-19-2006, 05:58 PM

thing is, turfway had to have the poly people come back in and do a lot of work after the first racing season. now woodbine with the cold. so what happens in cali when the temp soars? guess we'll see.
people rushed to hollywood because it was felt the cushion would be better than the typical trick out there. maybe it is, but i don't think it's working the miracle that so many thought it would. it has its own issues. and i don't think smack dab in the middle of their season is when they should be trying to figure this out.