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11-25-2006, 12:50 PM
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11-25-2006, 03:58 PM
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11-25-2006, 04:06 PM
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If I replied to this yesterday it would have been Invasor...
But it's all DISCREET CAT now...
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11-25-2006, 04:12 PM
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After the BC, I was set to give HOY to Invasor even though I thought Discreet Cat was the better horse. After today, I can't in good conscience vote for Invasor as the best horse to run in NA in 2006. I just can't. If one race can win it in other categories, one race can win it in HOY. Discreet Cat is the best horse in the world. It's not even close.
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11-25-2006, 04:27 PM
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One race is enough to win Eclipse HOY only when no other horse has accomplished anything of note during the rest of the year. Reeling off four straight GI races in N. America is certainly more than worthy for HOY. Passing your only real "test" (a five horse test) with flying colors and brilliance is a great thing to behold, but certaily does not constitute a resumé for HOY.
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11-25-2006, 04:33 PM
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11-25-2006, 04:35 PM
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No way can horse of the year go to this horse despite his brillance.
He raced three times and beat a combined total of thirteen horses. One race was an allowance, one a G2, and one G1 against mainly sprinters. As far as breathtaking performances go I can't argue, he is sensational. But please why do we always have to throw around and debate HOY. Who cares unless you're part of the connections?
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11-25-2006, 04:37 PM
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11-25-2006, 07:24 PM
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This has been such a crazy year with the injury to Barbaro, the untimely deaths of a couple very nice horses that it is hard to say who is/was the best in 2006. For what it's worth here's my two cents.
In no particular order... Barbaro - what a special horse, while I don't claim to be an expert, I've seen a lot horses run and I can't remember a horse hitting the ground as well as he did. If he stayed healthy, a return to the turf might have placed him among the all time great turf horses... Bernardini - great year, multiple grade 1's and I think had he gotten a better ride in the BC he would have won there too....I thought Castellano moved way to early on him...easy to call that one from the living though I suppose...only knock I give him is the short and quality of the fields her ran against in the late Summer.... Invasor - 4 for 4 and the BC Champ....kinda takes me back 2 years...not trying to compare for all you Zapper fanatics... Discreet Cat - might be the best of the lot, but doesn't have the credentials.....yet Ouija Board - All class and a pleasure to watch. Resume speaks for itself....If she wins in Japan tonight, I think it should vault her to the top of many lists and truly one of the all time greats.... So with my two cents, I have to give the nod to Ouija Board....
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11-25-2006, 07:32 PM
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Yeps. Invasor easily. Bernardini a drifting second.
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11-25-2006, 08:07 PM
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My thing is this though.....if u want to change the criteria for winning it to "most accomplished horse in North America" then they should change it and then there would be no debate at all as to who is the horse of the year. But when the only defined criteria says the best horse to race in NA during the year, then it opens up a debate. I don't know if any of u are basketball fans but back in 1993, they gave the NBA MVP award to Charles Barkley. It was a hollow award because then Michael Jordan, the acknowledged best player in the world, promptly went out and kicked Barkley's ass in the championship. Same thing in 1997 when they gave it to Karl Malone and then Jordan went out and kicked his ass in the championship. How does it make sense to give someone else the award as the best player when Michael Jordan was still in his prime? I personally would feel like the HOY award would ring hollow if it's not given to the best horse, especially when that horse fits that stated criteria. I could see if it said that u had to win x number of races or x amount of money or x number of grade ones in order to win the award. But it doesn't. So that's why I can't vote for Invasor if I don't feel like he's the best. Most accomplished without a doubt.....but not the best.
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11-25-2006, 08:13 PM
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11-25-2006, 08:30 PM
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11-25-2006, 08:37 PM
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No way that Barkley or Malone had better years than Jordan. Their teams played much better than they had in previous season and that's why they got the awards. Same reason why Nash just got it. They didn't have better seasons than Jordan. Either way, I'm not thinking too much into it. Just asking opinions and giving my own. I'd have no problem with anyone voting for Invasor, Bernardini, or even Barbaro. As long as they are voting for who they think is the best horse.
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11-25-2006, 08:59 PM
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Did I feel that St. Liam was the best horse to race in 2005? I'm glad you asked me that question. Honestly I think in terms of only who is the best for a particular race I'm handicapping. I couldn't care less who a bunch of people FEEL is the best horse of the year. It makes no difference to me. I know that in reality there often is no one consensus best horse of the year. I don't wager on who the HOY or who the best horse is so I don't care. When I handicap a race you better believe that I care about who the best horse is going to be that day and I certainly look beyond the individual records of accomplishments. I may FEEL that the best horse is an unheralded horse that doesn't have the best record. But you see the difference is that the race is then run and I find out if my feelings were correct. then its a matter of fact who was better on that day, no longer just a feeling. We can sit around all night and toss out names of horses that we feel were the best in 2006. At the end everyone will be correct because its based on feelings. Sorry, not interesting for me.
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11-25-2006, 11:27 PM
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I hate the fact that this horse is owned by who he is.
I hate the fact that they waited until now to run him in a US stakes race. I hate the fact that now he has to go back half way across the world and we will probably not see him until the Foster as a best case scenario. but come on. its just ridiculous. if thats not the fastest horse to run on dirt in 2006, then Im Michael Moore. and I can promise you I dont weigh 300 lbs. Repent
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11-26-2006, 12:41 AM
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Triple dead heat :
DISCREET CAT BERNARDINI BARBARO all THREE were the BEST this year...in thier own ways
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11-27-2006, 11:56 AM
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Hate to be pernickety, but Barbaro wasn't undefeated. Worldwide, given their conditions, it's very difficult to split Bernardini, George Washington and Rail Link. In terms of pure form all three are a mite above the likes of Deep Impact, Barbaro, Invasor and Discreet Cat, for all that the second named may well have proved capable of better and the last 2-named may well still do so.
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