Ripken Jr. & Gwynn elected to HOF, McGwire left out - Page 2

Gander · #21 01-10-2007, 08:59 AM

I'll have to agree that Mark Mcgwire was never that special of a player. He played for a pretty long time and accumulated a lot of HRs but lets face it, he is Dave Kingman on steroids. Nothing more. Even without the steroid controversy his numbers over his entire career arent that great. Its pretty obvious that his boom years werent because he became a "better hitter". I would have to say no and I hope he never gets in. But if he does, it doesnt matter anyways, the hall of fame is a tainted joke anyways filled with double standards.

#22 01-10-2007, 11:24 AM

The Baseball Hall Of Fame is a joke. A couple of voters turned in blank ballots. Come on, you are given a job to do and they decide not to vote.

Gander · #23 01-10-2007, 01:17 PM

And a couple people chose to vote for Ken Caminiti over Jim Rice and Goose Gossage. Can you explain this?

#24 01-10-2007, 02:21 PM

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And a couple people chose to vote for Ken Caminiti over Jim Rice and Goose Gossage. Can you explain this?

No I can't. This is why it is a joke to me. I cannot imagine why Jim Rice is not in the hall. It is sickening. The people who do vote (well some) do not take it seriously. One person who submitted a blank ballot said he did so because he didnt want Cal or Gwynn to get 100% of the vote--what kind of freaking logic is that.

Gander · #25 01-10-2007, 02:41 PM

Tony Gwynn is sick.

19 straight seasons of batting .300 or higher
7 seasons during that time batting .350 or higher
Lifetime batting average of .338
3,141 hits
5 times a gold glove winner

I sat very close to him the one time I visited San Diego (old stadium) and he is a lot bigger a guy than you would ever think. What a great player.

#26 01-10-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Tony Gwynn is sick.

19 straight seasons of batting .300 or higher
7 seasons during that time batting .350 or higher
Lifetime batting average of .338
3,141 hits
5 times a gold glove winner

I sat very close to him the one time I visited San Diego (old stadium) and he is a lot bigger a guy than you would ever think. What a great player.

What is even sicker is that he is 1000 hits from Pete Rose's all time hits record. Gwynn was such a great player. And he did it all on one team which is awesome too. I miss seeing him in the 3 hole when I watch San Diego.

SniperSB23 · #27 01-10-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Tony Gwynn is sick.

19 straight seasons of batting .300 or higher
7 seasons during that time batting .350 or higher
Lifetime batting average of .338
3,141 hits
5 times a gold glove winner

I sat very close to him the one time I visited San Diego (old stadium) and he is a lot bigger a guy than you would ever think. What a great player.

Ichiro already has 6 Gold Gloves and can do anything Gwynn could do. Too bad he didn't start here from the beginiing. He still has a shot to match Gwynn's hit totals despite not playing here until he was 27.

Gander · #28 01-10-2007, 03:01 PM

Ichiro is pretty amazing, no doubt. Sweetest swing in baseball. The huge advantage for Ichiro is his speed. He gets a ton of infield singles (some may call cheap hits), something that Gwynn got hardly any of.

Both great talents and great people.

#29 01-10-2007, 04:07 PM

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Ichiro is pretty amazing, no doubt. Sweetest swing in baseball. The huge advantage for Ichiro is his speed. He gets a ton of infield singles (some may call cheap hits), something that Gwynn got hardly any of.

Both great talents and great people.

Ichiro is awesome. A rare breed in todays game. The best thing about Gwynn was the length of time he performed at the top. I want to see how Ichiro does once he loses his speed. No doubt that Ichiro is the better outfielder, but I want to see how he does in year 14 and beyond.

Gander · #30 01-10-2007, 04:10 PM

I dont think Ichiro will lose his speed until he hits 45 and by then he will be retired. The guy is in great shape and trains very hard in the off season. He will always be fast as long as he is a player.

#31 01-10-2007, 04:41 PM

45--whoa, that is saying something right there. You can stay in shape all you want but when you get older you lose a couple of steps. The hands get slower through the box and your feet dont move as fast.

Gander · #32 01-10-2007, 04:50 PM

Not when you train as hard as he does and eat rice paddies. The guy is a machine. Hes a professional and loves his work. Trust me, this guy may lose a step or two, but he will be beating out ground balls until he is 45.

#33 01-10-2007, 05:00 PM

I don't know. Michael Jordan couldnt do it when he got into his 40's - your body just cant do it anymore regardless what you do to keep in shape. I hope he does because he is a joy to watch.

timmgirvan · #34 01-10-2007, 05:15 PM

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I don't know. Michael Jordan couldnt do it when he got into his 40's - your body just cant do it anymore regardless what you do to keep in shape. I hope he does because he is a joy to watch.

Big size diff between MJ and Ichiro!! 90ft is less than the length of court, so I'll go with Ichiro!

Downthestretch55 · #35 01-11-2007, 01:59 PM

Just my two cents...Pete Rose should be in the HOF.
I'm not sure if Roger Marris is in but if he's not, he should be.

timmgirvan · #36 01-11-2007, 02:34 PM

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Just my two cents...Pete Rose should be in the HOF.
I'm not sure if Roger Marris is in but if he's not, he should be.

Pete should be there because of his on the field play....the fact that he's an idiot for betting on games that he managed shouldn't come into play! Roger Maris really had only 2 great years and that 's not enough for HOF

Downthestretch55 · #37 01-11-2007, 03:29 PM

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Pete should be there because of his on the field play....the fact that he's an idiot for betting on games that he managed shouldn't come into play! Roger Maris really had only 2 great years and that 's not enough for HOF

Timm,
I agree about Pete Rose. Maris..oh well.
Actually, my son is much more into it than I am. He got Nolan Ryan to sign a ball for him, Bob Feller too. Ted Williams was always there.
If you ever get a chance to come to NY, I'll put you up. C'town is pretty nearby. My best favorite is Mr October.

timmgirvan · #38 01-11-2007, 03:49 PM

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Timm,
I agree about Pete Rose. Maris..oh well.
Actually, my son is much more into it than I am. He got Nolan Ryan to sign a ball for him, Bob Feller too. Ted Williams was always there.
If you ever get a chance to come to NY, I'll put you up. C'town is pretty nearby. My best favorite is Mr October.

DTS: One of my longtime dreams is to visit Cooperstown! Sounds like your son has a good collection. Of course....you'd have to put me in the right wing of your house,lol

Downthestretch55 · #39 01-11-2007, 04:04 PM

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DTS: One of my longtime dreams is to visit Cooperstown! Sounds like your son has a good collection. Of course....you'd have to put me in the right wing of your house,lol

Timm,
That could easily be arranged. The right wing is yours. I'll even clean it. take your pick of the three bedrooms there.
Also, I'm about an hour and a bit from Toga.
Fly in to Albany and I'll pick you up.

Danzig · #40 01-11-2007, 06:29 PM

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Mcgwire should be left out. The right decision was made. Congrats to Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken. They both deserve it and I think anyone with half a brain knows just because a specific era of baseball is tainted, it doesnt mean everybody who played during it is dirty. God knows when the time comes, Derek Jeter and Albert Pujols will be voted in first time around without anyone linking them to the dirty stuff, a la Mcwire, Sosa, Palmeiro and Bonds.

maguires's #'s just aren't good enough to warrant getting in. so he set the home run in a season record--that will forever have a ? next to it...other than that, his stats aren't great--and hofer's should have great #'s.