California moves forward on stricter drug penalties - Page 2

The Bid · #21 01-10-2007, 12:24 PM

PJ,

Most people using that stuff are willing to risk the side effects for the quick results.

paisjpq · #22 01-10-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

PJ,

Most people using that stuff are willing to risk the side effects for the quick results.

I know...true for the beauty queen, bodybuilders and some horse trainers...

kentuckyrosesinmay · #23 01-10-2007, 12:50 PM

Finally, someone steps up and has the balls to do something about the usage of anabolic steroids, which I believe is extremely detrimental to the health of these animals.

However, I do not believe that there should be a complete ban on steroids, as they can be extremely useful for those horses that are recovering from injuries and surgeries. In fact, we just had them perscribed for a horse recovering from a horrible injury at the stable.

paisjpq · #24 01-10-2007, 01:01 PM

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Is there an equivalent in horses of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) also used in bodybuilding & fitness competitions?

Equine Somatotrophin...they can't test for it though, since it occurs naturally in the body.

Sightseek · #25 01-10-2007, 01:06 PM

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Equine Somatotrophin...they can't test for it though, since it occurs naturally in the body.

Thanks

kentuckyrosesinmay · #26 01-10-2007, 01:09 PM

It's also called equine growth hormone Sightseek.

The Bid · #27 01-10-2007, 01:15 PM

IP makes a great version of it.

Honu · #28 01-10-2007, 03:02 PM

Mandating a withdrawl time of 28 days for Clenbuteral seems just a little overboard , 7 days could be acceptable, right now as it is Mandella comes off 5 days out from a race so no big deal.
I really havent seen clenbuteral as a muscle builder in horses alltho if a horse is on it for a lung problem I could see how it would make the horse train better and therfore it might build more muscle because its healthier.
I havent seen any horses in our barn crash because they were taken off Clenbuteral but I do know it can and will make some horses tie-up and that if we have one that is on Clenbuteral and it ties up it is taken off of it right away.
I myself have taken Clenbuteral here and there when Ive had mucous in my lungs from a cold or whatever , didnt make me sweat or shake when I took it and I know a few jockeys that have asthma that take it before they ride to help with their air.
To me all theriputic meds have their place and its the cheaters who are going to make it so people cant do right by their horses and thats really a shame.

The Bid · #29 01-10-2007, 03:14 PM

Really there is no doubt it causes a crash. I imagine if you use it a few times you wouldnt experience that. However, any use of clen over a period of time will cause a crash, infact a lot of guys will take Ephedrine so they dont crash as badly. It is a horrible feeling. I believe a horse who takes clen for more than a week will regress in training for weeks following his withdrawl.

Honu

Did you take the syrup, or the tabs? How much did you take, and how long.

Cannon Shell · #30 01-10-2007, 03:32 PM

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Really there is no doubt it causes a crash. I imagine if you use it a few times you wouldnt experience that. However, any use of clen over a period of time will cause a crash, infact a lot of guys will take Ephedrine so they dont crash as badly. It is a horrible feeling. I believe a horse who takes clen for more than a week will regress in training for weeks following his withdrawl

I have personally never had a horse crash from Clembuterol. Have had some get edgy and sweat from it but other than that no problems.

The Bid · #31 01-10-2007, 03:36 PM

Cannon, have you ever prolonged the usage of clen past a horse having a lung infection? Do you think it is possible that a trainer would give clen to say 20 horses for a prolonged period of time, whether or not they had a lung infection?

Cannon Shell · #32 01-10-2007, 03:46 PM

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Cannon, have you ever prolonged the usage of clen past a horse having a lung infection? Do you think it is possible that a trainer would give clen to say 20 horses for a prolonged period of time, whether or not they had a lung infection?

I tried it once with a group of horses and found that it did not do much. The horses ran about the same as they did before they were given regular doses. I think it is ironic to talk about the 'steroidal' effect of clembuterol as the reason trainers give regular doses when anabolics themselves have been available. It will help in recovery of a horse with lung problems especially in the spring and fall when the temps change so much. What California is doing is putting a guy with sick horses out of commission for at least a month and putting other horses at risk because you will hesitate to treat them with clembuterol until they are really sick. It is like when you have a cold, if you take something and have a few down days you will feel better quickly and jump right back into your regular routine. With the 28 day rule they are putting you in the position of not being able to treat your horse in the best possible manner without penalty, the penalty being not being able to run for a month or more depending on when the next race is.

Honu · #33 01-10-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Really there is no doubt it causes a crash. I imagine if you use it a few times you wouldnt experience that. However, any use of clen over a period of time will cause a crash, infact a lot of guys will take Ephedrine so they dont crash as badly. It is a horrible feeling. I believe a horse who takes clen for more than a week will regress in training for weeks following his withdrawl.

Honu

Did you take the syrup, or the tabs? How much did you take, and how long.

I took the syrup and used it for about 7 to 10 days just about like we do with our horses ,like I said it didnt affect me in the sense where I was shaking or "tweeking " , I used about the end of a finger tip as a dose twice a day.
Generally we start our horses off on 3 cc's the first morning and afternoon then increase it to 5 cc twice daily for 7 to 10 days then re-evaluate after that.
I know that when I was training the string of 2 yr olds I would put them on it if they started coughing ( like most babies do when they come to the track the first time) and keep them on it for a week or so and then take them off . If they continued to cough without getting sick the vet would have me give them another 5 days or so and draw a blood chemistry to see what was going on .

Left Bank · #34 01-10-2007, 05:32 PM

A Drug for this,a Drug for that,this drug is for this,This drug is for that.....Do you guys hear yourselves?

Honu · #35 01-10-2007, 07:19 PM

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A Drug for this,a Drug for that,this drug is for this,This drug is for that.....Do you guys hear yourselves?

What kind of theraputic medications do you use when the horses that you work with get sick ?

Left Bank · #36 01-10-2007, 09:08 PM

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What kind of theraputic medications do you use when the horses that you work with get sick ?

Grass and a BIG pasture!!!

Honu · #37 01-10-2007, 09:57 PM

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Grass and a BIG pasture!!!

Well Im sure that helps them alot when they have fevers or lung infections