Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year? - Page 20

miraja2 · #**381** 10-20-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

So I don't see any problem with discussing the races now.

I don't see any problem with discussing the races or horses in a general way either. I had no problem with the original poster's decision to bring up three specific horses who he believed merited some discussion. That's fine.
My only point was that hrfan seemed to have decided that he was tossing a bunch of a horses already from a lot of races. That struck me as rather unproductive given the fact that we don't even know who is in the damn races yet.

blackthroatedwind · #**382** 10-20-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

he beat the worst bunch to Euro's to ever run in the turf. Only Soldier of Fortune and Conduit are considered G1 there, and it might be a stretch to call Conduit G1, though he won the St Leger. Since Henry (miler) and Duke (maybe past his best) are in the Classic, the Turf is more wide open and RR does have a shot, IF Soldier and Conduit (and even Eagle Mtn) fail miserably. Also, RR has scratched from the Sword Dancer and didn't go in the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic (his intended prep) which is a concern. When was the last time Hennig won a G1, 12f grass race off a 3 1/2 mo. layoff.

Throat, you are right about GC. I was OK in Europe but he faced a pretty poor bunch (relatively speaking) in Rail Link and Red Rocks. Look at what RR did in his recent tries w/G1 Euro's in Europe. He like firm and Lasix, and the easier company here..

Hurricane Run was in the BC against Red Rocks in 2006.

They weren't top Group 1 horses over there, but even their ranks have been pretty thin the last few years in the distance Group 1s, and both were at least marginally competitive.

Bigsmc · #**383** 10-20-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Byk and some Oak Tree guy were acting like it's going to be the best two days of racing ever on ATR.

I heard an old Saratoga show and turned the channel. He had a show today?

2Hot4TV · #**384** 10-20-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

If it's that important, take a sick/personal day.

Works for me.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #**385** 10-20-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

If it's that important, take a sick/personal day.

That's exactly I did.

Kasept · #**386** 10-20-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I heard an old Saratoga show and turned the channel. He had a show today?

Understood from Casey said there was a connection issue for a couple minutes early on... Sorry.

Bigsmc · #**387** 10-20-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Understood from Casey said there was a connection issue for a couple minutes early on... Sorry.

No problem. Listening on the net now. MNF muted.

mclem0822 · #**388** 10-20-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Understood from Casey said there was a connection issue for a couple minutes early on... Sorry.

Well, you guys more than made up for the technical problems Steve. The show with Ms. Miller in particular was great! I'm sitting there at work going through the Euros already, her information was wonderfully helpful.

Kasept · #**389** 10-20-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Understood from Casey said there was a connection issue for a couple minutes early on... Sorry.

Those that missed or thought there was no live show should catch the stream at ATR website, the replays tomorrow or the archives for Kate Miller of famed British bookmaker William Hill, providing an overview of EVERY Euro running in the Cup. Invaluable opinion, especially on the lesser-known imports in the under-covered races.

#**390** 10-20-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Those that missed or thought there was no live show should catch the stream at ATR website, the replays tomorrow or the archives for Kate Miller of famed British bookmaker William Hill, providing an overview of EVERY Euro running in the Cup. Invaluable opinion, especially on the lesser-known imports in the under-covered races.

Does she have nice teeth?

Indian Charlie · #**391** 10-20-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Does she have nice teeth?

She's from the UK that means United Kingdom, not the University of Kentucky.

#**392** 10-20-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree about Sadler. But the horse fits on his best day I think.

fits in a 50 claimer. this is a 2 horse race, maybe 3 if you want to throw in a speed horse that "could" stay.

Street Boss and Midnight Lute....

Bobby Fischer · #**393** 10-20-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Those that missed or thought there was no live show should catch the stream at ATR website, the replays tomorrow or the archives for Kate Miller of famed British bookmaker William Hill, providing an overview of EVERY Euro running in the Cup. Invaluable opinion, especially on the lesser-known imports in the under-covered races.

good show
had to take notes word for word for comparison

Kate Miller is a soft speaker, so the first couple of times i had the volume way up - and then Steve Byk came on with an ear shattering question

#**394** 10-20-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't see any problem with discussing the races or horses in a general way either. I had no problem with the original poster's decision to bring up three specific horses who he believed merited some discussion. That's fine.
My only point was that hrfan seemed to have decided that he was tossing a bunch of a horses already from a lot of races. That struck me as rather unproductive given the fact that we don't even know who is in the damn races yet.

i think overall the Europeans are not as strong this year, and maybe are horse are a bit better, especially in the mile, where i love Daytona, War Monger and Kip

Danzig · #**395** 10-20-2008, 11:41 PM

i really wish i could remember where i saw the article about the 'euro turfers better than us tufers' thing being far from true. stats don't back it up at all. the top turf horses there run on very soft, very deep turf. not all horses like that, and come here to find firmer ground. and of course running on lasix helps as well. comparing their best turfers to our best could be the apples vs oranges type comparison-kind of like when you have curlin vs the top euros. how do you really decide who's better, since a top turf horse generally won't face a top dirt horse?

SniperSB23 · #**396** 10-21-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i really wish i could remember where i saw the article about the 'euro turfers better than us tufers' thing being far from true. stats don't back it up at all. the top turf horses there run on very soft, very deep turf. not all horses like that, and come here to find firmer ground. and of course running on lasix helps as well. comparing their best turfers to our best could be the apples vs oranges type comparison-kind of like when you have curlin vs the top euros. how do you really decide who's better, since a top turf horse generally won't face a top dirt horse?

I'd really like to see that article cause I think the stats do support that the Euro turfer are better than the US turfers even on firm ground.

ateamstupid · #**397** 10-21-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i really wish i could remember where i saw the article about the 'euro turfers better than us tufers' thing being far from true. stats don't back it up at all. the top turf horses there run on very soft, very deep turf. not all horses like that, and come here to find firmer ground. and of course running on lasix helps as well. comparing their best turfers to our best could be the apples vs oranges type comparison-kind of like when you have curlin vs the top euros. how do you really decide who's better, since a top turf horse generally won't face a top dirt horse?

Miesque, High Chaparral, Fantastic Light, Theatrical, Kalanisi, Daylami, Pebbles, Lashkari, Pilsudski, Red Rocks, Shirocco, Barathea, Miss Alleged, Tikkanen, In the Wings, Ouija Board, Islington, Six Perfections, Banks Hill, Domedriver, Spinning World, Ridgewood Pearl and Last Tycoon, not to mention Rock of Gibraltar, Bago, Azamour, etc. would all like to see this article.

King Glorious · #**398** 10-21-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I really wish they would make this a one day event again. A horse like Zenyatta deserves a marquee slot in front of the biggest audience.

How is that possible if people will be at work??

Not too many complaints when the second best 3yo router (Proud Spell) had to run on the Friday before the Derby.

zippyneedsawin · #**399** 10-21-2008, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Steve has a relationship with the BC and is promoting them. I understand.

It's the worst BC ever. The good news, however, is next year should be worse.

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zippyneedsawin · #**400** 10-21-2008, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Not too many complaints when the second best 3yo router (Proud Spell) had to run on the Friday before the Derby.

I'm sure you meant the best.