Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year? - Page 21

Danzig · #**401** 10-21-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Miesque, High Chaparral, Fantastic Light, Theatrical, Kalanisi, Daylami, Pebbles, Lashkari, Pilsudski, Red Rocks, Shirocco, Barathea, Miss Alleged, Tikkanen, In the Wings, Ouija Board, Islington, Six Perfections, Banks Hill, Domedriver, Spinning World, Ridgewood Pearl and Last Tycoon, not to mention Rock of Gibraltar, Bago, Azamour, etc. would all like to see this article.

it wasn't just in reference to the bc, but all turf racing here.
hey, i didn't write the thing. but i do remember reading it.

Danzig · #**402** 10-21-2008, 08:08 AM

been searching, but haven't found that article yet...

but i did find one, in late october '06. it states that the euros as of then had won 12 of 22 bc turf races. that's one more than half. now, how is that domination? they are just ahead in the stats at that time, seems evenly split, not the domination i keep hearing about.

Antitrust32 · #**403** 10-21-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Nobody big............yet.

Big Brown???

philcski · #**404** 10-21-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

been searching, but haven't found that article yet...

but i did find one, in late october '06. it states that the euros as of then had won 12 of 22 bc turf races. that's one more than half. now, how is that domination? they are just ahead in the stats at that time, seems evenly split, not the domination i keep hearing about.

Keep in mind, on average, I'd guess the BC Turf draws 4-5 Euros and 9-10 Americans, so being >50% is a definitive statistical advantage.
(I guess they're 13-24 now with Red Rocks and English Channel added now... although with the dead heat in '03 I think they'd have to count a win for both)

That being said, they rarely send their top stock. It always seems to be their 2nd tier group, this year no different.

declansharbor · #**405** 10-21-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Big Brown???

That was soooo last week.

GPK · #**406** 10-21-2008, 09:22 AM

After today, I have the next 4 days off from work. I think I am more excited about betting Belmont tomorrow and Thursday than the BC this weekend

Linny · #**407** 10-21-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

been searching, but haven't found that article yet...

but i did find one, in late october '06. it states that the euros as of then had won 12 of 22 bc turf races. that's one more than half. now, how is that domination? they are just ahead in the stats at that time, seems evenly split, not the domination i keep hearing about.

Considering the ship, change in climate (when racing in SoCal, FLA) the fact that most Euro's are beyond their best races when they get here etc, I think it's a fine record. Also, while those listed above all ran well in BC races, several, Domedriver, Lashkari, Tikkanen and don't forget Arcangues were not considered the very best in Europe.
As for all Euro's liking soft going, it's a myth. Dylan Thomas was undone by the soft going at Mon. Remember, they almost scratched because he didn't like soft. Daylami did his best in Europe on firmer going and when Euro's go to the Mid-East and Asia they often get rock hard turf and still win. This myth is like the one that holds that all Euro's are routers. Guess what, they've been runing G1 sprints on grass in Europe for ages now! I just wish that some of their sprinters would come here for the BC. I'd have thought the SA course might have suited them, though most as used to to a straightaway sprint.

CSC · #**408** 10-21-2008, 09:46 AM

If my memory is correct, Arcangues is the only European horse to go turf to dirt to win the Classic, ironically it was at Santa Anita hunch players.

fpsoxfan · #**409** 10-21-2008, 10:14 AM

That's it....The Breeder's Cup is horrible. I'm not watching. I think I'll go to the woods and look for scat. Come on folks, sure the quality is down and it's on Poly or pro-ride or whatever, but it's still a fun day if you are a horse racing fan. It's still better than a Mid-February Aqueduct inner track card.

blackthroatedwind · #**410** 10-21-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

If my memory is correct, Arcangues is the only European horse to go turf to dirt to win the Classic, ironically it was at Santa Anita hunch players.

Right, but he beat a very weak field, and Sahkee, Giant's Causeway, and even Ibn Bay all ran much better in defeat.

Antitrust32 · #**411** 10-21-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

That was soooo last week.

oh yeah my bad!

blackthroatedwind · #**412** 10-21-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

That's it....The Breeder's Cup is horrible. I'm not watching. I think I'll go to the woods and look for scat. Come on folks, sure the quality is down and it's on Poly or pro-ride or whatever, but it's still a fun day if you are a horse racing fan. It's still better than a Mid-February Aqueduct inner track card.

I doubt I will have many February days where my handle is less than it will be on all 14 BC races combined.

fpsoxfan · #**413** 10-21-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I doubt I will have many February days where my handle is less than it will be on all 14 BC races combined.

I don't doubt that Andy and I understand your stance on this issue. You've never been a big fan of this day and I understand that. I'm just saying in general that it's not as bad as some people are making it out to be. I'm still looking forward to a good time with my friends like we do on most "big" days in horse racing.

odbaxter · #**414** 10-21-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I've seen it up close, no way it is 87% dirt.

I need help here. Is it going to play more like Poly and Tapeta (apparent advantage to closers and turf types) or is it going to play more like dirt. Who cares what it is made off? I just want to know how it will play.

Is there any chance that the track supers will adjust how it is going to play? Speed it up? Water it? I don't have any confidence playing the non grass races.

CSC · #**415** 10-21-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Right, but he beat a very weak field, and Sahkee, Giant's Causeway, and even Ibn Bay all ran much better in defeat.

Giant's Causeway ran a heck of a race to Tiznow.

fpsoxfan · #**416** 10-21-2008, 11:37 AM

After reading today's Cristblog on DRF about the overall earnings of the entrants I'm even a little more interested.

10 pnt move up · #**417** 10-21-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I doubt I will have many February days where my handle is less than it will be on all 14 BC races combined.

Is it because it is in California or because its on synthetic? If its synthetic I assume you dont play Kee on the main track anymore.

Antitrust32 · #**418** 10-21-2008, 01:21 PM

I'm not sure what I'll end up watching this Sat, the BC or college football.

The only thing that seems remotely interesting is Curlin & his Con-Ride experience.

Sure there are a few okay horses running like Zenyetta, IB and... and... well I cant come up with another. UGH!

fpsoxfan · #**419** 10-21-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm not sure what I'll end up watching this Sat, the BC or college football.

The only thing that seems remotely interesting is Curlin & his Con-Ride experience.

Sure there are a few okay horses running like Zenyetta, IB and... and... well I cant come up with another. UGH!

Of course this one will be running Friday.

King Glorious · #**420** 10-21-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Is it because it is in California or because its on synthetic? If its synthetic I assume you dont play Kee on the main track anymore.

Nobody plays Keeneland's main track anymore. Have you seen the statistics from their meet?

I don't know the amounts each individual on this board bets but I know Andy is not alone in this. Not even close. I personally will play very little, if any, on the main track races. I just do not like games of chance that much. I like gambling on horses because I feel confident that I can read a form, know the horses, and make an informed decision on where my money will go. I have ZERO such confidence in that on this track.