Cash for Clunkers Success

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The cost of lives is immeasurable. The weakening of the country and the destabilization the region is going to cost more than anything Obama is doing.

Of course...a lot of people got rich.

That area is no more destablized as it ever is. You will see destablization once Israel bombs Iran's nuke sites.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That area is no more destablized as it ever is. You will see destablization once Israel bombs Iran's nuke sites.

iraq kept Iran honest. Iraq will be a total mess once the US pulls out. The area is much less stabilized than it was before the invasion.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

iraq kept Iran honest. Iraq will be a total mess once the US pulls out. The area is much less stabilized than it was before the invasion.

Iran is getting nukes. How long do you think they would have waited before testing them out on Iraq? The area has never been very stable.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the Linda Rice phenomenon is over.

She's in with a shot of being the trainer with the best Saratoga win % for the decades of the 90's and 00's.

Top 8 trainers with highest Saratoga win % since 1990: (minimum of 30 total wins)

#1. Bobby Frankel: 84-for-361 (23.26%)

#2. Linda Rice: 94-for-410 (22.93%)

#3. Rick Dutrow Jr: 95-for-423 (22.45%)

#4. Steve Asmussen: 63-for-308 (20.45%)

#5. Tony Dutrow: 31-for-152 (20.39%)

#6. Bill Mott: 273-for-1349 (20.23%)

#7. Jimmy Jerkens: 47-for-236 (19.91%)

#8. Todd Pletcher: 243-for-1243 (19.54%)

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Iran is getting nukes. How long do you think they would have waited before testing them out on Iraq? The area has never been very stable.

good post. the whole reason saddam kept weapons inspector's at arms length pre-war was to keep up the facade that he might have a secret counter weight to the persians. he assumed we knew this. bad move.

we decide to kick the anthill because jesus and dick cheney said it was a good idea.

nukes will be everywhere in 30 years. same with icbm's. i don't think there is anything anyone can do at this point. i hope to have a few myself. that way i'll feel safe.

[Smooth Operator]

LOL ... good stuff, god

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

good post. the whole reason saddam kept weapons inspector's at arms length pre-war was to keep up the facade that he might have a secret counter weight to the persians. he assumed we knew this. bad move.
we decide to kick the anthill because jesus and dick cheney said it was a good idea.

nukes will be everywhere in 30 years. same with icbm's. i don't think there is anything anyone can do at this point. i hope to have a few myself. that way i'll feel safe.

we knew he had some stuff, since we gave it to him back when they were fighting iran-that was all part of the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' methodology to foreign affairs. but maybe he sold it to syria, other than whatever he used to kill his kurds in the north...at any rate, the iraq invasion and ensuing mess absolutely was a mistake. had that not been attempted, we'd have most likely been done in afganistan by now, since we could have just concentrated on that area.
instead, years later, two wars still in progress-and most likely the #1 cause for all our problems.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we knew he had some stuff, since we gave it to him back when they were fighting iran-that was all part of the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' methodology to foreign affairs. but maybe he sold it to syria, other than whatever he used to kill his kurds in the north...at any rate, the iraq invasion and ensuing mess absolutely was a mistake. had that not been attempted, we'd have most likely been done in afganistan by now, since we could have just concentrated on that area.
instead, years later, two wars still in progress-and most likely the #1 cause for all our problems.

That is not realistic. The problems there are not related to concentration on our part.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is not realistic. The problems there are not related to concentration on our part.

we went into afganistan and then pretty much ignored it while focusing much of our attentions on iraq. that was a mistake. we may well have a peacekeeping force in there by now, but i feel that we wouldn't be dealing with the steady erosion in that country since we first invaded.


at any rate, iraq was a mistake-a huge mistake. it peeled away military assets and attention. it's cost trillions, and it has contributed to the rise of iran and has destabilized that region even more than it already was. all it's done has cost us.
bush wasted any goodwill or feelings of empathy after 9/11 by pushing this war on iraq. i remember how most of the world reacted after the towers collapsed. our foreign affairs are a far cry from then-when we went from a country that had been attacked and had every right to defense, to a bully who thought it could do whatever the hell it wanted, wherever it wanted.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we went into afganistan and then pretty much ignored it while focusing much of our attentions on iraq. that was a mistake. we may well have a peacekeeping force in there by now, but i feel that we wouldn't be dealing with the steady erosion in that country since we first invaded.


at any rate, iraq was a mistake-a huge mistake. it peeled away military assets and attention. it's cost trillions, and it has contributed to the rise of iran and has destabilized that region even more than it already was. all it's done has cost us.
bush wasted any goodwill or feelings of empathy after 9/11 by pushing this war on iraq. i remember how most of the world reacted after the towers collapsed. our foreign affairs are a far cry from then-when we went from a country that had been attacked and had every right to defense, to a bully who thought it could do whatever the hell it wanted, wherever it wanted.

I think the media may have forgotten it but it is a difficult place to win. Ask the Russians. Bush's biggest mistake in my view was his insistence that democracy would be able to overcome radicalsim. Radicals will always rule the roost in places like Afganastan because there is just not alot of good things happening there in the best of times.

We talk about racism in our country as though we have a monopoly on it. The discrimination in Iraq between different sects of the same religion is far worse than anything we encounter in our country. Democracy needs to have all people to agree to have an equal vote. That will never happen in Iraq. Why they thought it could is a mystery.

[Crown@club]

May not be the right thread......But creating jobs in the long run, huh?

Well Whirlpool has announced its closing the Evansville plant. Add 1100 to the unemployment list. Fantastic!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

May not be the right thread......But creating jobs in the long run, huh?

Well Whirlpool has announced its closing the Evansville plant. Add 1100 to the unemployment list. Fantastic!!!!

So, you think this is Bush's fault? That's pretty unfair.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, you think this is Bush's fault? That's pretty unfair.

You think the country wants Government Health Care. That's delusional....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You think the country wants Government Health Care. That's delusional....

No, the country wants health care reform. That's a little different.

Being a birther is quite delusional, though.

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

This whackjob actually thinks the President of the United States will barricade himself in the White House and physically refuse to leave.

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the country wants health care reform. That's a little different.

Being a birther is quite delusional, though.

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

This whackjob actually thinks the President of the United States will barricade himself in the White House and physically refuse to leave.

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

It must be AT LEAST a full-time job being you!....you are all over the place.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It must be AT LEAST a full-time job being you!....you are all over the place.

Well, it takes less time than you spend trying to insult me

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

They've been out for a while in fact there is a former President who actually believes Israel is the 'worst' perpetrator of human right violations on earth. He believes Israel is even worse than Rwanda.

That is mentally unstable at best and anti-Semitic hate at worst.

PS you seem to do your best work after 2am. You know when the mentally unstable are still up hearing those voices.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the country wants health care reform. That's a little different.

Being a birther is quite delusional, though.

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

This whackjob actually thinks the President of the United States will barricade himself in the White House and physically refuse to leave.

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

that is sad.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, it takes less time than you spend trying to insult me

I'm sorry that you feel I'm trying to insult you.....but you appear very rigid with regard for dialog. As I've stated previously, I would like an honest dialog,
not strident sound-bite defense of what's purportedly on the table( I've heard as many of 4 bills that the Dems are fooling with) The man who spoke at that townhall meeting voiced his opinion, he was not a spokesperson for
any group.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Riot

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

Wow, are you sure this is accurate, Riot?


Not even a con can be that stupid...