Cash for Clunkers Success

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the country wants health care reform. That's a little different.

Being a birther is quite delusional, though.

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

This whackjob actually thinks the President of the United States will barricade himself in the White House and physically refuse to leave.

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

there are 2 different world's in america. the rapidly shrinking rational one and this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2720417.story

we can make fun of the delusional all we want but the fact is a significant minority is actually arming themselves for armageddon. they really believe glenn beck and dismiss anything else as msm lies. despite the fact that dems threw in the towel on gun control years ago.

[SOREHOOF]

They are just arming themselves because they still can. Beck has nothing to do with it. Why put down an economic boom. I seriously doubt the ammo factories got any T.A.R.P $ or stimulus $. They are probably hiring right now without any Govt. help, except for Gun Control advocates in the administration. Ammo has outperformed gold and the stock market over the last year.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

They are just arming themselves because they still can. Beck has nothing to do with it. Why put down an economic boom. I seriously doubt the ammo factories got any T.A.R.P $ or stimulus $. They are probably hiring right now without any Govt. help, except for Gun Control advocates in the administration. Ammo has outperformed gold and the stock market over the last year.

name one. dem's realized a while back it was a losing battle. they have the white house. they have the house. they allegedly had 60 in the senate for a while.

where was all the gun control legislation?

unlike the loyal opposition, dem's seem (most of the time) to deal in reality. they count the votes.

meanwhile i wait patiently for the next epileptic seizure of anti-immigrant hysteria. you know it's coming.

and we'll gladly accept the next generation of voter's.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Wow, are you sure this is accurate, Riot?

Not even a con can be that stupid...

He's a public school teacher. Fourth-grade. And he says it with a straight face. He comes about 3:10 into this tape:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmEyZFed9tk

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

They are just arming themselves because they still can. Beck has nothing to do with it. .

You know what, I disagree. There will always be a fringe element that arms themselves against the government, hates the government, distrusts it, etc. (I even hunt with a couple

But guys like Beck, with his hyperactive talk and innuendo about fearing for the country, wanting to save the country, "taking action, what you can do", drawing on chalkboards, etc. (go watch a tape or two of his show) puts that type of "fringe" mindset into the mainstream as if it's acceptable, usual, normal. Look at what many Republicans are gladly telling American citizens - that they need to fear death panels, that grandma will be killed by the Obama government's health plan. Outright lies, for god's sake. I think it's very dangerous, to tell people their democratically-elected government is a direct threat to their lives.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

name one. dem's realized a while back it was a losing battle. they have the white house. they have the house. they allegedly had 60 in the senate for a while.

where was all the gun control legislation?

unlike the loyal opposition, dem's seem (most of the time) to deal in reality. they count the votes.

meanwhile i wait patiently for the next epileptic seizure of anti-immigrant hysteria. you know it's coming.

and we'll gladly accept the next generation of voter's.

It doesn't have to come from Congress. Just scroll down to D.C. vs. Heller... " the 2nd Amendment does not protect the individual right to bear arms for purposes unrelated to a States operation of a well-regulated militia".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder.. Don't sweat the "undocumented workers" until the economy comes back a little! As far as counting the votes, the Dems seem more concerned with counting the votes they want to count than counting all the votes.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

You know what, I disagree. There will always be a fringe element that arms themselves against the government, hates the government, distrusts it, etc. (I even hunt with a couple

But guys like Beck, with his hyperactive talk and innuendo about fearing for the country, wanting to save the country, "taking action, what you can do", drawing on chalkboards, etc. (go watch a tape or two of his show) puts that type of "fringe" mindset into the mainstream as if it's acceptable, usual, normal. Look at what many Republicans are gladly telling American citizens - that they need to fear death panels, that grandma will be killed by the Obama government's health plan. Outright lies, for god's sake. I think it's very dangerous, to tell people their democratically-elected government is a direct threat to their lives.

The Dems have been doing this for years. Beck never called anyone to arms. He actually warns against associating with any idiots who want to take up arms against our country. Ballots not Bullets. It's still frikkin America.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You know what, I disagree. There will always be a fringe element that arms themselves against the government, hates the government, distrusts it, etc. (I even hunt with a couple

But guys like Beck, with his hyperactive talk and innuendo about fearing for the country, wanting to save the country, "taking action, what you can do", drawing on chalkboards, etc. (go watch a tape or two of his show) puts that type of "fringe" mindset into the mainstream as if it's acceptable, usual, normal. Look at what many Republicans are gladly telling American citizens - that they need to fear death panels, that grandma will be killed by the Obama government's health plan. Outright lies, for god's sake. I think it's very dangerous, to tell people their democratically-elected government is a direct threat to their lives.

You're right,Riot....most of the country is too stupid to understand anything but 2 syllable words for soundbites from Uncle Obama! Just let the msm lull the children to sleep and there won't be a country worth fighting for!
Frankly, I can't believe you could be so naive as to not question the proposed changes foisted on the American public.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It doesn't have to come from Congress. Just scroll down to D.C. vs. Heller... " the 2nd Amendment does not protect the individual right to bear arms for purposes unrelated to a States operation of a well-regulated militia".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder.. Don't sweat the "undocumented workers" until the economy comes back a little! As far as counting the votes, the Dems seem more concerned with counting the votes they want to count than counting all the votes.

no sensible democrat is fighting this issue.

it's a loser. despite my own personal feelings that the large problems facing this country don't involve the lack of freely available weapons, i support the decision to back the f*ck away from something that's electoral poison.

but i'm a huge supporter of far right ideological commissar's like rush, beck and (hopefully) palin holding to a fire the feet of otherwise sensible republican's.

there is no downside to encouraging a radical minority that actually thinks it's a majority in chasing off potential voters.

a natural republican constituency like conservative, family oriented, hispanics are voting democratic in droves because the republican party can't say no to intellectual leadership by the radical right.

god bless rush. god bless glenn. god bless sarah.

they are assuring the demographic extinction of the republican party.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The Dems have been doing this for years. Beck never called anyone to arms. He actually warns against associating with any idiots who want to take up arms against our country. Ballots not Bullets. It's still frikkin America.

Hey, they have every right to be out there doing their thing. They all admit they are entertainers first, rather than news people.

Beck, Rush, O'Reilly - they've changed over the years. They have gotten much more strident. O'Reilly calls the abortion doctor a baby killer and that someone should take care of the problem (repeatedly). Last week Beck calls the current administration an (sic) oligarhy (spelling it wrong, which I found rather hilarious) and wants people to "take action, take your Republic back!".

People like me that used to listen to them - long gone. Beck's advertisers don't want to be associated with a guy who calls the President of the United States, "a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people." They are increasingly marginalized, and marginalizing.

I agree they are helping cause the political death of the GOP, and I resent it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You're right,Riot....most of the country is too stupid to understand anything but 2 syllable words for soundbites from Uncle Obama! Just let the msm lull the children to sleep and there won't be a country worth fighting for!
Frankly, I can't believe you could be so naive as to not question the proposed changes foisted on the American public.

Timmi, can you post something about healthcare reform? You know, debate a subject?

Or can you only diss and call names of politicians and posters you don't like, or who don't agree with you?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Timmi, can you post something about healthcare reform? You know, debate a subject?

Or can you only diss and call names of politicians and posters you don't like, or who don't agree with you?

I don't believe I've ever called names to you, but the slimey politicians are fair game! Healthcare as it is today is a far cry from what it was, but the plans that Dem leadership is proposing are foolish and ludicrous. What happened to the "pay as we go" program that Obama talked about? 10 trill
deficit isn't the way to go. Doctors pay an average of 20K per month for malpractice ins...much of that could be saved with the proper tort reform! I could go on....

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your math leaves out alot.

More terrible news for you: It's so successful it's ending Monday; 40% of claims have been processed, .

Riot they lied to you or you just made up a number! And again if this is even a slight indication of how Health Care would run we're in deep shhhhiiiiiittttt. Maybe OB should start w/a single Dr.'s office and only treat congress?

During the month long program, Billion Automotive sold close to a thousand vehicles but has only been reimbursed for 272 of them. Vern Eide sold over 200 cars and has only been paid for 27 of them, and that's fueling lots of concerns in the auto industry.

Even though Billion is beginning to get some of his reimbursement money, he's still concerned because he says there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the program.

When Cash for Clunkers was first announced, dealers were supposed to be reimbursed within 10 days of a sale. Billion says that hasn't happened.

"The program started in July and we haven't gotten paid for cars we sold back then, but then on the other hand we got paid for a car we sold last week. They don't have an accurate format. It's not like they're taking the first deals that were submitted and working those. I don't know how they're doing it, no idea. I know it's very random" Billion said.

"We had a situation where we had a submission, they rejected it for multiple reasons. We didn't see anything wrong with it, so we resubmitted it. They rejected, we resubmitted it. They rejected it, seven times and finally they paid it, and we never changed a single thing on it," Billion said.

http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=89419

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Riot they lied to you or you just made up a number! And again if this is even a slight indication of how Health Care would run we're in deep shhhhiiiiiittttt. Maybe OB should start w/a single Dr.'s office and only treat congress?

During the month long program, Billion Automotive sold close to a thousand vehicles but has only been reimbursed for 272 of them. Vern Eide sold over 200 cars and has only been paid for 27 of them, and that's fueling lots of concerns in the auto industry.

Even though Billion is beginning to get some of his reimbursement money, he's still concerned because he says there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the program.

When Cash for Clunkers was first announced, dealers were supposed to be reimbursed within 10 days of a sale. Billion says that hasn't happened.

"The program started in July and we haven't gotten paid for cars we sold back then, but then on the other hand we got paid for a car we sold last week. They don't have an accurate format. It's not like they're taking the first deals that were submitted and working those. I don't know how they're doing it, no idea. I know it's very random" Billion said.

"We had a situation where we had a submission, they rejected it for multiple reasons. We didn't see anything wrong with it, so we resubmitted it. They rejected, we resubmitted it. They rejected it, seven times and finally they paid it, and we never changed a single thing on it," Billion said.

http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=89419

Surprising considering how effective and organized Govt programs usually are....

[Antitrust32]

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion...ay_dearly.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion...ay_dearly.html

I have a plan similar to the plan described in this article, and I wouldnt be able to continue the plan either.Capitation in healthcare diminishes the doctors interest in patient......because there is a cap per patient. It's probably the main reason doctors are driven to a "niche" in medicine that is outside the regular family practice.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion...ay_dearly.html

Good argument for exactly why we need healthcare reform. He seems to favor a completely government-run single-payer plan, though. I don't want that, but do want a government option.

[Riot]

Riot they lied to you or you just made up a number!

I can only read and quote the same internet blogs, news, press releases you do.

Who's "they" ?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Surprising considering how effective and organized Govt programs usually are....

That reminds me of the IRS - this past spring my accountant did my taxes, filed electronically, and the refund was electronically deposited in my account in 10 days.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I have a plan similar to the plan described in this article, and I wouldnt be able to continue the plan either.Capitation in healthcare diminishes the doctors interest in patient......because there is a cap per patient. It's probably the main reason doctors are driven to a "niche" in medicine that is outside the regular family practice.

Whether healthcare reform is passed or not, it's estimated everyone's healthcare costs (insurance industry driven) will increase by 10% this year. Hold on.