NCLB-Education

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

I made it about half-way through that douchebaggery...what an idiot (or bunch of idiots).

BUT to be fair, I haven't been as discerning as I should be in defining "rights". My fault for lack of clarity...and the mess it has caused! Maybe we can narrow this all down for time's sake.

I actually didn't have much of an opinion about the editorial. What got you so steaming mad about it?

[Downthestretch55]

Well, well. well.
Good to see where this topic went.
Now, did I mention that I saw Elvis walking his pet groundhog while staring in amazement at the UFO that landed outside the subway station? Two of the three "aliens" were union members, one had tenure, and the other one had parents that didn't care about education at all, whether it was a right or a not, as long as they could ride their spaceship without helmets, and of course, dine in a restaurant where they could pass on their second hand smoke.
I heard that Elvis and the groundhog scored about the same on their standardized tests, so it looks like NCLB is safe.

[Downthestretch55]

Further reading. Don't bother if you're "reading challenged" as it's a bit long.
http://www.alternet.org/story/47674/

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

I made it about half-way through that douchebaggery...what an idiot (or bunch of idiots).

BUT to be fair, I haven't been as discerning as I should be in defining "rights". My fault for lack of clarity...and the mess it has caused! Maybe we can narrow this all down for time's sake.

Surely a new SAT word has been born.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Surely a new SAT word has been born.

Not just a new SAT word....clearly in violation of the "code of conduct".
Mods???

[SentToStud]

To whoever wrote this (before deleting?!?) or believes it:

"As a renter, I pay no property (read, school) taxes, and frankly, I should. I benefit from an educated populace, too...."



Huh?

Sorry, just because you pay no property tax doesn't mean your own tax dollars do not go toward education. Hardly. In every state I've lived in, state funding EXCEEDS local funding of public schools.

To further inform you, state school funding is provided through legislative act. I assure you that each of those laws includes language that "GUARANTEES each child an educational opportunity..."

To me, that language confers a right, not a privilege.

The purpose of state funding (which you pay for) is, in part, to "equalize" educational opportunies for students regardless of the local property tax revenues generated for each individual district.

Local property taxes do not fully fund public schools. Not even close.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

In this country, ever since I can remember, our educational system has been in crisis. If you look at almost every school that is large and does poorly on standardized tests, they very often are located in large urban areas with a low socioeconomic status. If you look at the families in these areas, the majority are broken with mom at the head and working... or worse.

If we know exactly where the people (who don't encourage their kids to learn) are living,then pay the females in that area to not breed.If they stay there, and don't use the money to better their situation,then atleast they won't be bringing innocent kids into the equation.If they have kids(without a father,) then they won't get paid what other women in the area are getting.
If there is a Father living with the child,then she continues to get paid(as long as the birth father is living with the child.)What will we have?

1)Women without kids(getting paid to stay that way.)

2)Women with kids and husbands(getting paid to stay together as a unit.)

3)Less n' less inner-city single parents that don't raise their kids well.

[Downthestretch55]

ummm....maybe I missed something.
Yes, one of the "posters" continues to happily reside on my ignore.
I don't respond unless someone quotes his words, no matter how divergent from the topic presented. No loss there.

So, is someone attempting to state that our society is better off without and educated populace?
If so, I'll just shake my head and walk away.
For those that resent supporting the education of our children...
"If you think education is expensive, consider the cost of ignorance."

Pray for peace and understanding. Help the children.
Smile more at others, even if they don't understand why you're doing so.
One act of kindness begins many more.
And learning is a life long process.
Keep faith in others as much as you do yourself.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If we know exactly where the people (who don't encourage their kids to learn) are living,then pay the females in that area to not breed.If they stay there, and don't use the money to better their situation,then atleast they won't be bringing innocent kids into the equation.If they have kids(without a father,) then they won't get paid what other women in the area are getting.
If there is a Father living with the child,then she continues to get paid(as long as the birth father is living with the child.)What will we have?

1)Women without kids(getting paid to stay that way.)

2)Women with kids and husbands(getting paid to stay together as a unit.)

3)Less n' less inner-city single parents that don't raise their kids well.

Sounds like farmers paid not to grow crops driving the price of some commodity too low.

I dont know if the Pope goes for this. No, check that, the Pope wont go for this. Or the religious right. And I can see some problems, especially with #2. But it is interesting. I'll give you that.

[randallscott35]

Scuds' proposal is a bit heavy handed but the statistic that the more education someone gets, the fewer children they have is pretty scary.

Dropouts have more kids than college graduates and it isn't a small difference....Over time, the result is pretty obvious.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Sounds like farmers paid not to grow crops driving the price of some commodity too low.

I dont know if the Pope goes for this. No, check that, the Pope wont go for this. Or the religious right. And I can see some problems, especially with #2. But it is interesting. I'll give you that.

Pgardn,
Yesterday over 300 dairy farmers went to Albany to voice their concerns about the current state of farming in NY. Things have never been as desperate for the local farmers and their families.
Regarding your second comment, all I can say is that I can't wait for spring to put in a potato crop. I'll be digging in the garage to find my Mr Potato Head kit, just so I can make one that looks like Potato Benedict.
Lucky for us all that he didn't breed.