Condi Rice

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by T3B

I'm not by any means making any implications on Wayne, but it just seems all to fashionable for people to continously bash whatever current administration happens to be in office....whether it be a Republican or a Democrat. It's the same old song and dance...

PLEASE IMPLY! Pretty please

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Here's what First Lady Laura Bush said about her:

"Dr. Rice, who I think would be a really good candidate (for President), is not interested. Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she's an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job."

1st Lady Left out the fact that Condi doesn't know dick.Maybe she knows carpet,but she doesn't know dick.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

thought that the constitution should severely limit fed power, and then proved himself a hypocrite with his louisiana purchase...

That did seem to work out pretty well though

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

1st Lady Left out the fact that Condi doesn't know dick.Maybe she knows carpet,but she doesn't know dick.

Dude she is from Stanford, what do you expect?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude she is from Stanford, what do you expect?

Stanford is a lesbian university now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Stanford is a lesbian university now?

It was really wrong of me to say that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That did seem to work out pretty well though

oh, believe me, i'm not complaining. just amuses me how he constantly and vociferously opposed the feds--til he was one!! but then, that's why hamilton supported him over burr in their tied election, he knew his man, and guessed rightly that jefferson would enjoy wielding the power he would get. he was right. that hamilton was one intelligent guy!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It was really wrong of me to say that.

ah, but it was funny!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

She is studying to play the lead part in "MORE WHITE THAN PAPER." I heard that she even refuses to take off work for the MLK Holiday.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

PLEASE IMPLY! Pretty please

I just can't get started Timm...too many other things to do.

[packerbacker7964]

Not white and a woman two strikes and she hasn't even said a word by most peoples standards.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by T3B

Dear Lord....here I go...I'm gonna regret this...

Wayne...what administration in the last 30 years or so hasn't???

Kev,
To answer your question...none.
Regarding implications...if they're about me, so be it. I have very thick skin.
Regarding implications of others, I refrain, as there are others that are far better at it than myself.
Read this:
http://alternet.org/blogs/video/47807/

[somerfrost]

I think it's totally wrong to call Condy a liar because she backed her President's policies...to everything there is a season, and for every person there is a time to speak out. We learned many lessons in the Civil Rights movement, one was certainly that to be heard, you have to rise above the din. I've said from the beginning that I respect Ms Rice and think that you would see a vastly different side of her if she were to become President. It's easy for folks on the sidelines to put her down for being a "good soldier", perhaps had they seen the things we saw in the 60's they would have a different take! Before you can change anything...you have to be in a position to do so! Politics by definition is the science of compromise...the trick is to safeguard your beliefs and integrity inside until a time when you can make a difference! I firmly believe that both Hillary and Condy are good folks...I can only hope that we get a chance to vote for one for President...both would be great!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I think it's totally wrong to call Condy a liar because she backed her President's policies...to everything there is a season, and for every person there is a time to speak out. We learned many lessons in the Civil Rights movement, one was certainly that to be heard, you have to rise above the din. I've said from the beginning that I respect Ms Rice and think that you would see a vastly different side of her if she were to become President. It's easy for folks on the sidelines to put her down for being a "good soldier", perhaps had they seen the things we saw in the 60's they would have a different take! Before you can change anything...you have to be in a position to do so! Politics by definition is the science of compromise...the trick is to safeguard your beliefs and integrity inside until a time when you can make a difference! I firmly believe that both Hillary and Condy are good folks...I can only hope that we get a chance to vote for one for President...both would be great!

Somerfrost,
This has been a "polite thread", and I like it that way.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions, as are others, as am I.
Just a couple of questions...
1) Does it cost any more money to keep one's mouth shut rather than have lies come out of it to support a "war of choice"? (Condi)
2) Although Hillary certainly has a war chest that dwarfs her opponents, her positions have always been "hedged". Do you think she needs to do a bit more to gain the confidence of those that she seeks support from?

At this point, I don't support either of your choices.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Kev,
To answer your question...none.
Regarding implications...if they're about me, so be it. I have very thick skin.
Regarding implications of others, I refrain, as there are others that are far better at it than myself.
Read this:
http://alternet.org/blogs/video/47807/

Wayne...that is precisely why I stated my thread in that manner. It was NOT meant as an implication towards you at all.

I still think we live in the greatest country in the world. I believe over time though, that our priorities in this country have become incredibly skewed and gotten way off kilter. Both major political parties are a complete and utter mess...no other way around it. I voted for W...both times. Am I 100% satisfied with the job he is doing? NO. I didn't vote for Clinton, but was appreciative a some of the things he did. Wasn't 100% satisfied with him either. But in reality, only a mindless individual is ever 100% happy with the job their chosen politician does.

Fact of the matter is, being POTUS is a job I would never want. It is a job that I have the utmost respect for though, NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE. I highly doubt that anyone on this board is close enough, politically, to really comprehend the daily tasks and decision making involved being in the White House and being President of the most powerful nation in the world.

I count my vote as my voice being heard. I find it would be useless for me to constantly label politicians that I don't like as liars. I think there are better and more prosperous ways to make a difference if one really wanted to. If lying was punishable by law, I think every president since George Washington would have served time.

Wayne, as I have stated previously to you, your passion is admirable. If you really believe in everything that you post on here (your own words and your links) then I would think with the proper resources, you could channel that energy and maybe make a difference, even if it may just be on a smaller, more local level. It would be a start for you.

I simply think your bashing and labeling of the current administration seems unproductive, unless away from this board you are doing your part to really make a difference (and you very may well be doing that.) That really goes for anyone, myself included. If I have the energy to bitch about it...dammit I better have the energy to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I like you Wayne. We may be at different ends of the spectrum on some things, but your a good man and I think your heart is in the right place.

[Danzig]

not sure what to think about hillarys talk the other day about energy--she wants to 'take the gas companies profits and find new energy sources'. TAKE the companies profits?! that's not the govts to take!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by T3B

Wayne...that is precisely why I stated my thread in that manner. It was NOT meant as an implication towards you at all.

I still think we live in the greatest country in the world. I believe over time though, that our priorities in this country have become incredibly skewed and gotten way off kilter. Both major political parties are a complete and utter mess...no other way around it. I voted for W...both times. Am I 100% satisfied with the job he is doing? NO. I didn't vote for Clinton, but was appreciative a some of the things he did. Wasn't 100% satisfied with him either. But in reality, only a mindless individual is ever 100% happy with the job their chosen politician does.

Fact of the matter is, being POTUS is a job I would never want. It is a job that I have the utmost respect for though, NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE. I highly doubt that anyone on this board is close enough, politically, to really comprehend the daily tasks and decision making involved being in the White House and being President of the most powerful nation in the world.

I count my vote as my voice being heard. I find it would be useless for me to constantly label politicians that I don't like as liars. I think there are better and more prosperous ways to make a difference if one really wanted to. If lying was punishable by law, I think every president since George Washington would have served time.

Wayne, as I have stated previously to you, your passion is admirable. If you really believe in everything that you post on here (your own words and your links) then I would think with the proper resources, you could channel that energy and maybe make a difference, even if it may just be on a smaller, more local level. It would be a start for you.

I simply think your bashing and labeling of the current administration seems unproductive, unless away from this board you are doing your part to really make a difference (and you very may well be doing that.) That really goes for anyone, myself included. If I have the energy to bitch about it...dammit I better have the energy to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I like you Wayne. We may be at different ends of the spectrum on some things, but your a good man and I think your heart is in the right place.

Kev,
Thanks for taking the time to state your views clearly.
Yes, I do try to make a difference.
Yes, I agree that both political parties leave much to be desired.
Also, although you and I are at different ends of the spectrum, I also think you are a good man and that your heart is in the right place.
W

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Somerfrost,
This has been a "polite thread", and I like it that way.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions, as are others, as am I.
Just a couple of questions...
1) Does it cost any more money to keep one's mouth shut rather than have lies come out of it to support a "war of choice"? (Condi)
2) Although Hillary certainly has a war chest that dwarfs her opponents, her positions have always been "hedged". Do you think she needs to do a bit more to gain the confidence of those that she seeks support from?

At this point, I don't support either of your choices.

I'm really not sure about what you are saying/asking? My answer was "political". Cost money? What does that mean? And before you call someone a liar because you disagree with their point of view...I think you may need a little more insight on how change occurs, how politics work and the relationship of power to advocacy! Not my job to educate you and I'm not getting into an endless debate that goes nowhere because you are locked into your mindset of "Bush-loathing"...my last comment to you about Condy is that when you call her (or any figure) names, you are simply discrediting your own position. There is always the "big picture" to assess and a myopic point of view like you constantly display here is not conducive to seeing past your hate. If I viewed politics like you seem to...I'd vote for nothing but conservatives due to my anti-abortion views and nothing but radical leftists due to my social views...in other words, I could never vote for anyone! Regarding Hillary...this is why we have campaigns...so that candidates have time to present their views, be questioned about them and otherwise give us insight...the process is just beginning, when it's over then each of us can decide whether Hillary and others have defined themselves...at this point your criticism is premature!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I'm really not sure about what you are saying/asking? My answer was "political". Cost money? What does that mean? And before you call someone a liar because you disagree with their point of view...I think you may need a little more insight on how change occurs, how politics work and the relationship of power to advocacy! Not my job to educate you and I'm not getting into an endless debate that goes nowhere because you are locked into your mindset of "Bush-loathing"...my last comment to you about Condy is that when you call her (or any figure) names, you are simply discrediting your own position. There is always the "big picture" to assess and a myopic point of view like you constantly display here is not conducive to seeing past your hate. If I viewed politics like you seem to...I'd vote for nothing but conservatives due to my anti-abortion views and nothing but radical leftists due to my social views...in other words, I could never vote for anyone! Regarding Hillary...this is why we have campaigns...so that candidates have time to present their views, be questioned about them and otherwise give us insight...the process is just beginning, when it's over then each of us can decide whether Hillary and others have defined themselves...at this point your criticism is premature!

Somerfrost,
I think I'll just leave this tread alone. I didn't intend to offend you.
If you took it that way, my apologies.
DTS

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I'm really not sure about what you are saying/asking? My answer was "political". Cost money? What does that mean? And before you call someone a liar because you disagree with their point of view...I think you may need a little more insight on how change occurs, how politics work and the relationship of power to advocacy! Not my job to educate you and I'm not getting into an endless debate that goes nowhere because you are locked into your mindset of "Bush-loathing"...my last comment to you about Condy is that when you call her (or any figure) names, you are simply discrediting your own position. There is always the "big picture" to assess and a myopic point of view like you constantly display here is not conducive to seeing past your hate. If I viewed politics like you seem to...I'd vote for nothing but conservatives due to my anti-abortion views and nothing but radical leftists due to my social views...in other words, I could never vote for anyone! Regarding Hillary...this is why we have campaigns...so that candidates have time to present their views, be questioned about them and otherwise give us insight...the process is just beginning, when it's over then each of us can decide whether Hillary and others have defined themselves...at this point your criticism is premature!

I wish I shared your enthusiam for the Pres campaigns. I'll pay attention but to me they've become a $1 Bil waste of tax money. The early campaigning is somewhat useful but only with respect to the non-Congressional people running. All the Senators have well-known positions on the issues and these do not change. To me, the campaign quickly and inexorably just degenerates into the mud-slinging negative advertising win at any cost cluster**** that it really is.

Campaigns could be more earnest if Senators who run for President forfeit their Senate positions. Senators are very much the royalty of America. And when they run for President, they do so for the most part with the primary objective of NOT losing their re-election to their Senate seat. I suppose a two-term limit for Senators would be the best thing that could happen, in my mind.

I respect Edwards. The only thing he wants is to be President and he gave up his Senate seat to go for it. I respect Hagel since he seems to not give a rat's rear about saying no to power. The rest of them are just lining up and trying to get lucky in my opinion. And if they don't, it's back to the palace that is the Senate.