Scat Daddy!!!

Good score. I was wrong but if Scat Daddy wins the Derby i'm quitting the game. I'm tired of fighting science.

[IrishofNDMan]

I'm in no way sold that he will win the derby, am I pulling for him yes, is he going to win???? Still some questions that need to be answered, but this race put him right back into the mix.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Got exactly what you needed ND. It helped being so hot there also. Stormello is a tough horse and he gave the pace necessary. Those of you giving up on Nobiz are crazy. He is a very large horse and it was very hot. It wont be like this if he can make it to the Derby.

PGRDN, the horse(NOBZLKSHWBZ) is a talented ******.Trainer said he thought he had the lugging in activities fixed.I don't think so.There is only 2 months to go.No loss at this "so called" race track would concern me all that much.We are talking about a track where McCann's Mojave won a million dollar race.However,these little "lack of focus" issues are gunna be a big problem when there are 20 horses on the track.This could cost them.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

PGRDN, the horse is a talented ******.Trainer said he thought he had the lugging in activities fixed.I don't think so.There is only 2 months to go.No loss at this "so called" race track would concern me all that much.We are talking about a track where McCann's Mojave won a million dollar race.However,these little "lack of focus" issues are gunna be a big problem when there are 20 horses on the track.This could cost them.

He is fast and very big and apparently does not entirely understand what he supposed to do. There was a horse named Point Given who I thought was the same way. He got it worked out. This horse is not to be dismissed so easily. If he comes out in good shape, he is a player.

Look what happened to Corinthian. They were hosing him down before he got to the winners circle. He got things entirely his way and almost passed out. It was not a great day at two turns for the big dumb fellas.

[Ghostzapperfan]

Hell Yeah!!!! Scat Daddy gets it done!!!

I have been rooting for him, although not publicly like some other horse players on here. Glad to see him win today. Pletcher has a horse here.....

ALostTexan

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I completely agree. NoBiz has shown all of the raw talent you could ask for, but obviously isn't there mentally. Have to think May 5th, 100,000 people and 20 horses....no thanks. He has yet to run even somewhat straight through the lane and for as much as I respect Tagg as a horseman he cannot seem to right this guy. Count me off the bandwagon, I am officially confused in regards to the Derby.

Well,I am sure that if you watch this race today,you will see Prado do various things to fck with this horse's head.Right? Who did Prado cut off into the 1st turn? When they come into the stretch,doesn't Prado go just wide enough that he causes the horse to have to change his line? With many horses,this stuff done by other jocks wouldn't cost them that much,but this horse just seems to constantly be going at a lot different speeds than other horses.When he lugs in a little,he has to be momentarily taken up(because he runs right up on another horse's heels .)His stride is just bigger,and is not going their speed.So,if he lugs in a bit,then he has to be stopped from clipping them.Believe me,Prado did what he could to take advantage of this.You can see by just looking at the head-on that he is much more talented,but he is a lot more awkward than them.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,I am sure that if you watch this race today,you will see Prado do various things to fck with this horse's head.Right? Who did Prado cut off into the 1st turn? When they come into the stretch,doesn't Prado go just wide enough that he causes the horse to have to change his line? With many horses,this stuff done by other jocks wouldn't cost them that much,but this horse just seems to constantly be going at a lot different speeds than other horses.When he lugs in a little,he has to be momentarily taken up(because he runs right up on another horse's heels .)His stride is just bigger,and is not going their speed.So,if he lugs in a bit,then he has to be stopped from clipping them.Believe me,Prado did what he could to take advantage of this.You can see by just looking at the head-on that he is much more talented,but he is a lot more awkward than them.

Well he knew who the horse to beat was. I watched this race again. Nobiz is more than a threat. He might drop out of the "experts" top 10... but not mine. I knew he was big but I did not realize he was so wide. This is a very fast tank who is a bit too kind.

No way am I dismissing this horse after watching it again.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well he knew who the horse to beat was. I watched this race again. Nobiz is more than a threat. He might drop out of the "experts" top 10... but not mine. I knew he was big but I did not realize he was so wide. This is a very fast tank who is a bit too kind.

No way am I dismissing this horse after watching it again.

Dismissing? No.Alydar won the Derby while clipping hills. Gulfstream accents these problems he has,but so does a 20 horse field.I can tell ya right now that this horse is gunna need a good post position at Churchill.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Scat Daddy's dam, Love Style, is a full brother to Like the Prospects who stands at Castle Peak Farm in Ont.

Hoping you mean full sister.

I think it was pretty darn fun watching the top 4 run today and I'm not so sure the order reflected ranking of talent. The Derby should be pretty fun. I prefer them not running hither and yon on the track when possible so they need to get Nobiz in line. Tagg just got through saying he was easier to train than Funny Cide. Hmm. We shall see.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

PGRDN, the horse(NOBZLKSHWBZ) is a talented ******.Trainer said he thought he had the lugging in activities fixed.I don't think so.There is only 2 months to go.No loss at this "so called" race track would concern me all that much.We are talking about a track where McCann's Mojave won a million dollar race.However,these little "lack of focus" issues are gunna be a big problem when there are 20 horses on the track.This could cost them.

Bing-effin'-go. I keep waiting for him to grow into himself, but apparently it still hasn't happened (I didn't see the race). If it ever does, he'll be a true monster, but like Scuds said, time is running out for Nobiz to grow up.

Nice call ND, by the way! Guess SD's not COMPLETELY irrelevant anymore.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He might drop out of the "experts" top 10... but not mine. I knew he was big but I did not realize he was so wide. This is a very fast tank who is a bit too kind.

He's very unlikely to be falling completely out of most top 10 lists...if for no other reason than for the fact that this crop looks very uninspiring right now.

I think the people who badmouthed Scat Daddy for his performance last time out....did so because they felt he had the tactical edge of racing over what was widely being called a "very live rail" last time out.

I personally wasn't convinced that the inside was that much better on that day, however, Nobiz clearly looked like a very authentic winner that day, and simply looked like the better of the two.

Also, another reason why the horse was so bad-mouthed, was that in years past, serious Pletcher 3-year-olds would often fire big races off the layoff..and rarely improved a great deal. The way Scat Daddy and Sam P. improved markedly today, I'm not so sure Pletcher isn't tinkering around, in an effort to get more development out of his Derby prospects. After seeing the way Scat Daddy and Sam P. ran today, it becomes a little easier to expect similar improvement from Any Given Saturday, in his 2nd start of his form cycle, on the march to the triple crown series.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Dismissing? No.Alydar won the Derby while clipping hills. Gulfstream accents these problems he has,but so does a 20 horse field.I can tell ya right now that this horse is gunna need a good post position at Churchill.


He's very unlikely to be falling completely out of most top 10 lists...if for no other reason than for the fact that this crop looks very uninspiring right now.

I think the people who badmouthed Scat Daddy for his performance last time out....did so because they felt he had the tactical edge of racing over what was widely being called a "very live rail" last time out.

I personally wasn't convinced that the inside was that much better on that day, however, Nobiz clearly looked like a very authentic winner that day, and simply looked like the better of the two.

Also, another reason why the horse was so bad-mouthed, was that in years past, serious Pletcher 3-year-olds would often fire big races off the layoff..and rarely improved a great deal. The way Scat Daddy and Sam P. improved markedly today, I'm not so sure Pletcher isn't tinkering around, in an effort to get more development out of his Derby prospects. After seeing the way Scat Daddy and Sam P. ran today, it becomes a little easier to expect similar improvement from Any Given Saturday, in his 2nd start of his form cycle, on the march to the triple crown series.

Every horse in the Derby needs a good post. You think Barbaro would have won like he did from Brother Derek's post? I think we still have a lot of time for improvement. These are only 3 yo's with 2 months to go.

I find all these trainers doing the 2 preppin dance is very interesting. Its so telling what one horse can do to sway opinion.

And I have a question. What the hell was wrong with the one hole and Gulfstream in starting? Was it made of quicksand? Did any horse actually get a decent start from that position? Seems they were a whole lot of horses breaking from that spot had a lot of catching up to do.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well he knew who the horse to beat was. I watched this race again. Nobiz is more than a threat. He might drop out of the "experts" top 10... but not mine. I knew he was big but I did not realize he was so wide. This is a very fast tank who is a bit too kind.

No way am I dismissing this horse after watching it again.

Well guys, I was there (and obviously pulling for Scat Daddy), but Nobiz had a horrendous trip and I believe that he is the real deal. VERY nice colt... I was impressed. I'm concerned with his maturity problem, but I certainly won't toss him out of my derby stable.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Dismissing? No.Alydar won the Derby while clipping hills. Gulfstream accents these problems he has,but so does a 20 horse field.I can tell ya right now that this horse is gunna need a good post position at Churchill.

You meant Alysheba, not Alydar.

--Dunbar

[deltagulf]

be too no way i'm tossing nobiz out of my stable either. he just has to learn
how to stay focus and run straight.