Minister's Bid

blackthroatedwind · #1 06-22-2006, 04:54 PM

Good luck to this horse, especially going long, against any good horses. He had a picture perfect trip, against two mediocrities, and was life and death to win. Where is he going from here? Yet another overhyped horse from the Ward barn ( anyone remember Stong Contendor? ).

Based on his sensational first effort if he is to make any impact it will be going shorter. Unfortunately, due to the lofty goals set for him, talking Haskell and Travers BEFORE this race, we are unlikely to see him in the King's Bishop. Not sure he would be close to good enough for that one but he would sure have a better shot than going long against tough horses.

sumitas · #2 06-22-2006, 04:57 PM

He won by 2 lengths going away. Prado rode the perfect race. MB put away the two tepid pacesetters in the stretch. What more do you want ?

#3 06-22-2006, 04:57 PM

Geez I don't know about that. I know the last 1/4 was extremely slow but I think higher of both the 2nd and 3rd place finishers than you do I guess.
I think he was goofing, and I'm not prone to make that asessment real often. His ears were al l the way forward and flipping even as he was galloping out. He looked like a goofball who was having a ball out there to me. I would think he would move way forward off this race.

blackthroatedwind · #4 06-22-2006, 04:59 PM

His first race was very impressive....no doubt. His second race was a total dud. Perfect trip and they crawled home.

Yeah, he has been off a couple months, what Ward horse isn't, but this was a very ordinary performance. Hell, Racketeer was in a drive for 7F.

Gander · #5 06-22-2006, 05:00 PM

I thought MB was dead on the far turn. Thought for sure Randall's horse Racketeer was going to win and Bull was going to hold 2nd. Randall is almost always right when he gives out horses on top on here.

sumitas · #6 06-22-2006, 05:03 PM

Prado finally got MB to turn it up at the top of the stretch. MB found his stride and dug in to pull away. The horse has got to learn a lot off this race.

#7 06-22-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

His first race was very impressive....no doubt. His second race was a total dud. Perfect trip and they crawled home.

Yeah, he has been off a couple months, what Ward horse isn't, but this was a very ordinary performance. Hell, Racketeer was in a drive for 7F.

I totally agree.

#8 06-22-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Geez I don't know about that. I know the last 1/4 was extremely slow but I think higher of both the 2nd and 3rd place finishers than you do I guess.
I think he was goofing, and I'm not prone to make that asessment real often. His ears were al l the way forward and flipping even as he was galloping out. He looked like a goofball who was having a ball out there to me. I would think he would move way forward off this race.

Wasn't that impressed. Extremely slow last 1/4 is an understatement. They were only going 1 mile. The 2nd and 3rd place finishers are nothing special. Hard to get a read on the horse because his other was at Keeneland, but I thought this horse would be more impressive. Hard to see that horse competing with Bernardini in the Travers with only one more race under his belt.

Gander · #9 06-22-2006, 05:06 PM

Lets face it, he doesnt exactly have any world beaters to beat until he takes on 4 & 5 year olds. The 3 year olds left in training right now leave a lot to be desired. This horse may not lose another race until the BC Classic. Jazil is a joke and so is Bluegrass Rat. The only 3 year old horses he has to fear are Bernardini and Corinthian.

sumitas · #10 06-22-2006, 05:18 PM

He was my lock today and he didn't dissappoint. Thanks boardies for pointing him out.

His race was comparable to Survivalist last Friday. Survivalist (4 yr old) started a little slower but ended up a little faster at 1:35 to 1:36 for MB. For his 2nd career start, I was impressed.

SCUDSBROTHER · #11 06-22-2006, 05:21 PM

The Belmont winner is a joke? I don't think that was a joke to Pletcher(kept him from getting a his 1st Triple Crown Race win.)Why don't you show some respect?

sumitas · #12 06-22-2006, 05:23 PM

And what is wrong with Bluegrass Cat ? He is a tough campaigner. For a Storm Cat , he shows mucho stamina.

miraja2 · #13 06-22-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Good luck to this horse, especially going long, against any good horses. He had a picture perfect trip, against two mediocrities, and was life and death to win. Where is he going from here? Yet another overhyped horse from the Ward barn ( anyone remember Stong Contendor? ).

Based on his sensational first effort if he is to make any impact it will be going shorter. Unfortunately, due to the lofty goals set for him, talking Haskell and Travers BEFORE this race, we are unlikely to see him in the King's Bishop. Not sure he would be close to good enough for that one but he would sure have a better shot than going long against tough horses.

Wow, I think you might be a little tough on this horse! Did he look like he was ready to win the Travers today? Of course not. But this was only his second lifetime start. Nobody is going to confuse the 2 he beat with Slew and Affirmed, but they are both pretty good 3yo to beat your first time going 8f & after a layoff. He has the pedigree to indicate he will stretch out and improve, and although the closing time was slow, he was pulling away in the final strides. Obviously he will need to keep improving, but to me he looks like he has the potential to do it. Today was a nice win.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #14 06-22-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Wow, I think you might be a little tough on this horse! Did he look like he was ready to win the Travers today? Of course not. But this was only his second lifetime start. Nobody is going to confuse the 2 he beat with Slew and Affirmed, but they are both pretty good 3yo to beat your first time going 8f & after a layoff. He has the pedigree to indicate he will stretch out and improve, and although the closing time was slow, he was pulling away in the final strides. Obviously he will need to keep improving, but to me he looks like he has the potential to do it. Today was a nice win.

I agree, and I think the fact that he was going 8 furlongs for the first time, and the fact that he was coming off a substantial layoff are huge considerations in evaluating this horse's performance. He beat two very nice, experienced three year olds in only his second lifetime start and can only improve off of these circumstances. Most of you know that a horse usually doesn't win his first race back after a layoff unless it is a special animal because most of the time, they are not completely fit and mentally prepared until the second start back. This one is definitely one to watch for. Flashy Bull and Racketeer aren't bad horses, that is for sure, and MB beat them quite easily.

randallscott35 · #15 06-22-2006, 06:10 PM

KYroses, there is only 1 "Bid". Let's not go there. LOL

kentuckyrosesinmay · #16 06-22-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

KYroses, there is only 1 "Bid". Let's not go there. LOL

You're right. There will always only be one "Bid" no matter how good his son gets. Let's just hope his wonderful son carries on his amazing legacy.

RIP old buddy.

PSH · #17 06-22-2006, 06:16 PM

I think it is very foolish to knock a horse, any horse.
Minister Bid did the job.
Bottom line, he won....
He will only improve off that effort... where that leads no one really knows, but it is obvious he has some talent.

Charlie Whittingham said never know a horse until he is dead...
Minister Bid has not died yet....

PSH

Downthestretch55 · #18 06-22-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You're right. There will always only be one "Bid" no matter how good his son gets. Let's just hope his wonderful son carries on his amazing legacy.

RIP old buddy.

KY Rose,
Ministers Bid is not a son of Spectacular Bid.
He's by Deputy Minister-Princess Petrina (Spectacular Bid).
The one and only Bid was the broodmare sire.
DTS

TheSpyder · #19 06-22-2006, 06:18 PM

Yea, he won but did you see the way the jockey worked him for the lasy half of a race. To me he just past horses a little more tired than him and since they were in a speed duel together most the race he did not win with any resolve. Nice horse for a Thursday feature but didn't show me anything special. At least Strong Contender looked special even though he hasn't amounted to anything yet either. Nothing to hope for here as far as I;m concerned.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #20 06-22-2006, 10:57 PM

Not a bad race. Strong Contender II ? He just adds to a Spa meet with contenders for the Jim Dandy and Travers. From a betting stand point, it doesn't get better than that.