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Old 04-16-2007, 12:13 PM
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I can't see how Liquidity can be considered, stamina is an issue with him.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:47 PM
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NO--Teuf and Sedg both may get into the Derby NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Old 04-16-2007, 04:10 PM
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NO--Teuf and Sedg both may get into the Derby NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That is good, auto tossed and some moran's will be using them, both will be 99/1 though
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Old 04-16-2007, 04:51 PM
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teuflesberg has as much business running there as i would!
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teuflesberg has as much business running there as i would!

Well don't keep us in suspense.
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Well don't keep us in suspense.
i don't think i'd get enough of a weight break.
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:08 PM
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I'm starting to wonder about his chances in three weeks. I could see him hitting the board. He seems like an honest sort who should be running hard at the end.

If Chelokee were to be entered, he would be one of the "wiseguy" horses. After hearing about his Florida Derby run before seeing it, I thought that his trip was not as terrible as it was made out to be. I'd toss him if he were entered in the Derby.

What you did not see is his race prior to the Florida Derby. He had even a worse trip and yet re-rallied to win it in style. In that ALW race at gulfstream he was bumped pretty good and shuffled from 5th to last at the half mile pole and made a nice rally weaving in-n-out to win it. That was the reason I made a huge win/place bet on him in the Florida Derby. He was tucked nicely inside and was waiting for some room he never could get. He still switched to the outside to make a nice effort to come third.
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:33 PM
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I haven't heard anything about him but I highly doubt Sedgefield goes. . . The connections have Dominican in for sure and they know he's got a much better chance than Sedge on dirt. . . Sedgefield's last start was very disappointing and it was on his best surface. . . Unfortunately I think Belgravia or Joe Got even could knock out Chelokee. . .
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Old 04-18-2007, 05:21 PM
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Is Jack Junior being pointed to the derby? I didn't think he was but thedowneyprofile.com still has him on their earnings list and they've been taking horses off that have been confirmed to be off the trail. . .
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Old 04-21-2007, 05:22 PM
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Graded Stakes Earnings List (Latest):

1 Street Sense $1,482,000 Carl Nafzger
2 Scat Daddy $1,308,500 Todd Pletcher
3 Circular Quay $1,116,134 Todd Pletcher
4 Curlin $780,000 Steve Asmussen
5 Nobiz Like Shobiz $778,500 Barclay Tagg
6 Great Hunter $752,500 Doug O'Neill
7 Stormello $642,900 William Currin
8 Dominican $498,484 Darrin Miller
9 Tiago $450,000 John Shirreffs
10 Cowtown Cat $437,253 Todd Pletcher
11 Hard Spun $360,000 Larry Jones
12 Storm in May $227,500 William Kaplan
13 Zanjero $205,000 Steve Asmussen
14 Slew's Tizzy $195,000 Greg Fox
15 Any Given Saturday $177,969 Todd Pletcher
16 Liquidity $161,200 Doug O'Neill
17 Cobalt Blue $150,000 Doug O'Neill
18 Sam P. $146,500 Todd Pletcher
19 Sedgefield $127,500 Darrin Miller
20 Teuflesberg $122,942 Jamie Sanders
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21 I'mawildandcrazyguy $104,000 Bill Kaplan
22 Chelokee $100,000 Michael Matz
23 Reporting for Duty $100,000 Steve Asmussen
24 Bold Start $85,000 Ken McPeek
25 Delightful Kiss $83,000 Pete Anderson
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Old 04-21-2007, 05:24 PM
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Is Jack Junior being pointed to the derby? I didn't think he was but thedowneyprofile.com still has him on their earnings list and they've been taking horses off that have been confirmed to be off the trail. . .
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Don't think he is.. Meehan called him doubtful a few weeks ago..
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Old 04-21-2007, 06:13 PM
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ESPN said wildcrazyguy has 104,000 in earnings
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Might want to add XCHANGER to the list.

I saw his win at Pimlico in the Tesio yesterday and he looked pretty sharp in getting it done. His owners want to go - Shuman, prior to yesterday, felt he was a cut below. The Tesio might have changed his mind, assuming the horse comes back from the race ok. I don't think the effort took anything out of him because he was an easy handride the last 1/8th.

If Ramon is available to ride, I think you'll see him the first Sat in May.
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Old 04-22-2007, 06:40 PM
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You know ,Steve, I have always been a large admirer of your fine work.





What are your thoughts regarding the 8 weeks for OClay and in general...SamP?..... and also if you have any feelings on lol lol lol.


Thanks in advance.
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Might want to add XCHANGER to the list.

I saw his win at Pimlico in the Tesio yesterday and he looked pretty sharp in getting it done. His owners want to go - Shuman, prior to yesterday, felt he was a cut below. The Tesio might have changed his mind, assuming the horse comes back from the race ok. I don't think the effort took anything out of him because he was an easy handride the last 1/8th.

If Ramon is available to ride, I think you'll see him the first Sat in May.
If Xchanger goes in the Derby it will be the owners forcing it and over the objections of Shuman. Here he is Friday with me on ATRAB:

http://www.attheracesandbeyond.com/stream/42007b.mp3

And Dominguez has committed to Pletcher on Sam P.
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:03 PM
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STEVIE!!!!
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:44 AM
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STEVIE!!!!


Steve is busy, so i'll answer about "lol lol lol" I saw him work the other day. looked GREAT on the track. Worked a mile in 1 minute 29 seconds flat in hand with his regular exercise rider G.F. Yokum, Jr. ( nickname GFY ) His coat was dappled, a fine animal indeed. The owners say they will skip the derby and train right up to the Breeder's Cup Classic where he should be installed as the 2:5 ML Favorite ahead of In- va - soooor.
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:48 AM
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Steve is busy, so i'll answer about "lol lol lol" I saw him work the other day. looked GREAT on the track. Worked a mile in 1 minute 29 seconds flat in hand with his regular exercise rider G.F. Yokum, Jr. ( nickname GFY ) His coat was dappled, a fine animal indeed. The owners say they will skip the derby and train right up to the Breeder's Cup Classic where he should be installed as the 2:5 ML Favorite ahead of In- va - soooor.


Oh really?

Well what state and what county was this in?





And I just know you have the name of the sherrif there.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:39 AM
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You know ,Steve, I have always been a large admirer of your fine work.

What are your thoughts regarding the 8 weeks for OClay and in general...SamP?..... and also if you have any feelings on lol lol lol.

Thanks in advance.
MDF,

I was worried that there was a 'real' issue with CircQuay when Pletcher passed on the Wood, but his subsequent works say he's fine. The effort in the Louisiana Derby was a huge career best, and the chances of him running back to it with a race in the interim weren't good. Pletcher is well aware of how much time it takes a horse to recover from an effort like that, and I also understand thatr Angel Cordero was pushing to skip the Wood. Basically I'm more concerned about the pace set-up not being to Circular Quay's advantage than I am about the 8 weeks...

Sam P. is a 'nice' horse that really hasn't moved forward at all at three. He was too close to the Santa Anita Derby pace to be effective and think he'll get his run in Derby Day. And remember that Ramon Dominguez rode Bluegrass Cat last year and gets the call on Sam P. I'd guess his best races come later in the year and would say he is a use in the Derby only on the bottom of the widest trifecta and superfecta plays.

As for Lol Lol Lol, the less we say here the better if we expect to pull off the betting coup we are all hoping for with him... her... it...
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