Blue Grass field - Page 3

ArlJim78 · #41 04-11-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Pace makes the race. Time Squared closed into a glacial pace, which is pretty hard to do most of the time. He was dead last at the quarter while they were poking along ahead of him, still 9th at the 3/4 mark. Closed with a rush to just get up in the last couple of strides. The comments, by the way, say "hopped start, 8 wide lane, driving."

Notice that the time from the 3/4 mark to the finish in each race is comparable - 30.68 sec vs. 30.14 sec. And Time Squared was still a long way back at the 3/4, while Rathor was right up near the lead.

So what is your conclusion? That Time Squared could have run a race comparable to Rathor's if he just would have had the pace to run into?
I don't care what the pace is you're not going to move the final time up four seconds.

Its impressive to close into a slow pace and end up with a reasonably fast overall time. But if you close into a slow pace and its won in a slow time its just a slow race.

#42 04-12-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

So what is your conclusion? That Time Squared could have run a race comparable to Rathor's if he just would have had the pace to run into?
I don't care what the pace is you're not going to move the final time up four seconds.

Its impressive to close into a slow pace and end up with a reasonably fast overall time. But if you close into a slow pace and its won in a slow time its just a slow race.

Not necessarily, horses can go out awfully slow and still be impressive if they finish strongly. Saving time on the front end does not translate into an equally fast finish.

A good example: The 1978 Belmont Stakes.

How many lengths did this horse make up in the final 2 1/2 furloughs??

ArlJim78 · #43 04-12-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by easy goer

Not necessarily, horses can go out awfully slow and still be impressive if they finish strongly. Saving time on the front end does not translate into an equally fast finish.

A good example: The 1978 Belmont Stakes.

How many lengths did this horse make up in the final 2 1/2 furloughs??

Horses can go out slow and finish strongly and look impressive, yes. But how impressive they look depends in large part on who they are running against.

We were talking specifically about Time Squared and how his 8.5 furlong winning time was the slowest of three run at the distance last friday. Not only did the allowance horses run nearly four seconds faster, another group of maidens ran about 1.5 seconds faster.

However everyone seems most excited about Time Squared's race because he closed ground. I just feel that this horse will have no solution when facing horses that have proven that they can run fast early, middle, and late.

Sightseek · #44 04-12-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Horses can go out slow and finish strongly and look impressive, yes. But how impressive they look depends in large part on who they are running against.

We were talking specifically about Time Squared and how his 8.5 furlong winning time was the slowest of three run at the distance last friday. Not only did the allowance horses run nearly four seconds faster, another group of maidens ran about 1.5 seconds faster.

However everyone seems most excited about Time Squared's race because he closed ground. I just feel that this horse will have no solution when facing horses that have proven that they can run fast early, middle, and late.

Wonder if he could do the same on a real dirt surface against the same bunch?

ArlJim78 · #45 04-12-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Wonder if he could do the same on a real dirt surface against the same bunch?

With his running style my guess is that his best form will be on poly.
I also think that this factored in to the decision to run him in the Blue Grass. That and the wicked success that Biancone/Leparoux have on the poly.
With all the winners they have out there they probably feel really confident about now with whatever they send out.

#46 04-12-2007, 09:44 AM

What a horrible betting race. So sick of these cowards ducking and dodging every race. Props to Biancone for actually running his horse off a short rest.

Pedigree Ann · #47 04-12-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

So what is your conclusion? .

My conclusion is that Time Squared won a slow race; I don't have enough data to tell whether he is a slow horse, especially the way the race was run.

Once the ones in front had gone 6f in 1:15, there was no way that TS could have recorded a fast time for the race - he would have had to run 2.5f in 26seconds or so to match Rathor's time (27 seconds if he had been on the lead, which he wasn't by any means).

#48 04-12-2007, 03:35 PM

Yeah, I would like to know more about the race before writing this horse off. Someone said he ran green in the lane.Did anyone see the race? Looks like he can close...Besides you dont have to find a winner, only a horse that can hit the board that no one else knows about.

POINTGIVEN1985 · #49 04-12-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by easy goer

Not necessarily, horses can go out awfully slow and still be impressive if they finish strongly. Saving time on the front end does not translate into an equally fast finish.

A good example: The 1978 Belmont Stakes.

How many lengths did this horse make up in the final 2 1/2 furloughs??

DONT BOTHER HE IS ALWAYS CORRECT....ALWAYS

ArlJim78 · #50 04-12-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

DONT BOTHER HE IS ALWAYS CORRECT....ALWAYS

You're finally catching on. good

ateamstupid · #51 04-12-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

What a horrible betting race. So sick of these cowards ducking and dodging every race. Props to Biancone for actually running his horse off a short rest.

That's one thing you can always count on Biancone for. Dude's got guts.

Danzig · #52 04-12-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

Teufelsburg --- SS is 4/5 and Great Hunter is 9/5. Love Dubai and Time Squared are 30-1.

did anyone take note that stew elliot, teuflesbergs regular rider, will NOT be going to keeneland? other commitments at oaklawn prevent him from going....apparently he doesn't think teuf is his derby horse!

Cajungator26 · #53 04-12-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

did anyone take note that stew elliot, teuflesbergs regular rider, will NOT be going to keeneland? other commitments at oaklawn prevent him from going....apparently he doesn't think teuf is his derby horse!

D, do you think that was his call or Jamie's call? Does he have another derby contender that I'm not aware of?

As much as I love Teuflesberg, I just can't see him stretching out to win at 10 panels, but I can't see Stewart having a better candidate either. LOL

SOREHOOF · #54 04-12-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Does anyone have his works since the Tampa Bay Derby?

You can get any horses works at DRF. Click on "Entries" then "Workout Search" Then go from there. It's a very useful tool.

Danzig · #55 04-12-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

D, do you think that was his call or Jamie's call? Does he have another derby contender that I'm not aware of?

As much as I love Teuflesberg, I just can't see him stretching out to win at 10 panels, but I can't see Stewart having a better candidate either. LOL

i doubt he has another contender. from what i read, elliott said he couldn't make it-sounded like his call to me, but no doubt if he thought the horse was a keeper, he would wiggle out of the oaklawn gigs.

Cajungator26 · #56 04-12-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i doubt he has another contender. from what i read, elliott said he couldn't make it-sounded like his call to me, but no doubt if he thought the horse was a keeper, he would wiggle out of the oaklawn gigs.

You would think he'd want to ride in the Derby regardless...

Danzig · #57 04-12-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You would think he'd want to ride in the Derby regardless...

he got the ultimate ride in the derby a couple years ago--maybe he doesn't want to go back with a horse with little chance?

Cajungator26 · #58 04-12-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he got the ultimate ride in the derby a couple years ago--maybe he doesn't want to go back with a horse with little chance?

I guess so... just doesn't seem typical for a jock, does it? LOL

philcski · #59 04-12-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by easy goer

Yeah, I would like to know more about the race before writing this horse off. Someone said he ran green in the lane.Did anyone see the race? Looks like he can close...Besides you dont have to find a winner, only a horse that can hit the board that no one else knows about.

I did... he closed like a wild turf horse on the outside. Just blew by the whole field in one pole. It was impressive, for a maiden win- and as Pillow Pants said, kudos to Biancone for taking a shot- but the field he caught was really weak for your typical Keeneland MSW and I'd be shocked if he could duplicate it with not just one but TWO super solid choices in here.

philcski · #60 04-12-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

If you want to watch his work from April 5th, you can go to the below link:

http://ww2.keeneland.com/racing/list...x?cat=Workouts

Wow. You wanna see a racehorse in a perfect workout, turn on Street Sense and watch him explode when the rider gives the cue. Didn't even seem to work hard and he went :58.2!!!

I'm actually rooting against him in the Blue Grass so I get a better price on Derby Day.