Garret Gomez sucks - Page 3

cmorioles · #41 06-10-2007, 06:52 AM

I think this notion that going faster up front is going to allow a horse to beat better, or even equal, horses that are running behind him is just silly.

golfer · #42 06-10-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What????

Wait a While stalked a crawling pace and was dreadful ( I bet her career is over ). Dream Rush ran well in hand and collapsed.....looking like the distance got her. Both these horses were 3:5 for God's sakes. Not Gomez's fault at all that they lost......just as he wouldn't have deserved any credit had they won.

Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

Andy, you are probably right on all counts, and after having a day to think about this, I would have to say... Garrett Gomez SUCKS!
He rode Hard Spun like he was pissed he wasn't on the Filly. Followed directions to a T, but do you really think 3-4 wide, while being choked on a 50 second first half mile is what Larry Jones had in mind? That said, I do totally agree he was not winning that race under any scenario. He did nothing to injure the horse, but he never should have been allowed to ride under those circumstances to begin with.
My opinion of GG is not based on just yesterday, but on a big pile of discarded tickets over the years (or at least my perception of such).

Dunbar · #43 06-10-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

My opinion of GG is not based on just yesterday, but on a big pile of discarded tickets over the years (or at least my perception of such).

And yet you apparently continue to bet his horses?

IMO, he cannot be too bad if he is on top of the earnings list. Not to say that some individual rides may be less than stellar, but overall, he has the skills and uses them.

--Dunbar

golfer · #44 06-10-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

And yet you apparently continue to bet his horses?

IMO, he cannot be too bad if he is on top of the earnings list. Not to say that some individual rides may be less than stellar, but overall, he has the skills and uses them.

--Dunbar

I didn't say he was a bad rider, I just said he SUCKS

You do realize this has become light-hearted, nonsense, for me, anyway. I am far more dissapointed with yesterday as a whole, than I am angry at Garrett Gomez.

ateamstupid · #45 06-10-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The bottom line is that none of those 3 horses would have won today no matter how they were ridden. I have no problem criticizing a jock if they cost a horse the race, but GG did not cost any of those horses the race.

I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #46 06-10-2007, 10:24 AM

dream rush yes wait awile for sure...waitawile was a joke he was over confedent thet when they turned for home he would blow by,,imo.....and joey.....you betta talk now mon

#47 06-10-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

http://www.newsday.com/search/ny-spb...,6977749.story

According to post-race comments Gomez made the decision.

Not that it would've mattered anyways.

alysheba4 · #48 06-10-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

Cut him back to 8-9 furlongs, and there isn't anyone beating him...IMO

......you could run him at 2 furlongs and he isnt beating curlin........he is just a cut below.

ateamstupid · #49 06-10-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

dream rush yes wait awile for sure...waitawile was a joke he was over confedent thet when they turned for home he would blow by,,imo.....and joey.....you betta talk now mon

I ... hate ... that ... horse.

Rupert Pupkin · #50 06-10-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

Let's say that John Velaquez would have ridden all 3 of those horses yesterday. Which of those horses would have won?

ateamstupid · #51 06-10-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Let's say that John Velaquez would have ridden all 3 of those horses yesterday. Which of those horses would have won?

Dream Rush and possibly Wait a While.

Danzig · #52 06-10-2007, 12:49 PM

i think gomez thought wait a while was much better than she was, and that my typhoon was much worse than she turned out to be yesterday, that he could gun to the lead when he wanted.

ooops.

hockey2315 · #53 06-10-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Let's say that John Velaquez would have ridden all 3 of those horses yesterday. Which of those horses would have won?

Use Prado and not Johnny V- even though he won the big one yesterday, he's been less than stellar lately. . .

Dream Rush wins
Wait a While might win
Hard Spun loses no matter what

Rupert Pupkin · #54 06-10-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Dream Rush and possibly Wait a While.

He obviously had to go to the lead on Dream Rush from the rail. Once he got on the lead, he tried to rate her the best he could. It wasn't as if he asked her and she opened up 5 lengths and got run down. He slowed her down as much as he could. He couldn't have been any stiller in the saddle. I think the filly was just a little too head-strong for GG to slow her down any more than he did. He had a very tight hold of her. I agree with you that you don't want to go :45 1/5 in a mile race. That is definitely too fast. I don't think he wanted to go that fast, but once she was rolling on the lead it didn't look like he could get her to settle much more than she did.

blackthroatedwind · #55 06-10-2007, 01:00 PM

Honestly, you all are giving WAY too much credit to riders for having an effect on the outcome of races. I suggest spending time handicapping intelligently and forgetting about jockeys and the net results will be much better for you at the windows.

trifecta124 · #56 06-10-2007, 01:02 PM

Hard Spun was never going to be able to go the mile and a half.....End of story.

ateamstupid · #57 06-10-2007, 01:06 PM

I just find it interesting how everyone piles on guys like Johnny McKee (Lawyer Ron) and Mario Pino (Hard Spun) when they go too fast or too early on big-time horses, but Gomez gets a pass because there was "nothing he could do."

Scav · #58 06-10-2007, 01:10 PM

I am with you Joe. While I didn't play Wait a While (I played Take the Ribbon) that ride was moranic. Lets let a gritty horse go 50 and try and catch. Who gives a **** if your horse isn't a speed horse, if they go 50, he should have been right next to her, not 1.5 back.

Hard Spun, I agree with everyone else, not getting 12....Dream Rush, I just don't know. I think alot of it might have to do with the training job, and while I am no expert, I have seen guys try to dull speed in the morning when stretching out, and it didn't seem like DR speed was dulled at all.

Dunbar · #59 06-10-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

http://www.newsday.com/search/ny-spb...,6977749.story

According to post-race comments Gomez made the decision.

Not that it would've mattered anyways.

Interesting! Thanks for posting the link.

--Dunbar

golfer · #60 06-10-2007, 08:25 PM

"Others emerged frustrated from the Belmont, notably Larry Jones, who trains Hard Spun, second in the Kentucky Derby after setting a suicidal pace, and third in the Preakness, in which he was embroiled in unreasonably fast fractions and fourth yesterday with Garrett Gomez riding while never involved in the pace.

"The pace was very slow. I thought that was our game plan leaving the paddock: to have these kind of fractions but be in front doing it," Jones lamented. "Apparently, we had a miscommunication somewhere."

Gomez, who until yesterday was Rags to Riches' regular rider but committed to Hard Spun while Pletcher wrestled with the Belmont decision, saw the race differently.

"At the half-mile pole, I felt I was in a great spot," he said. "At the three-eighths pole, I thought I was money. When it was time for sprinting, he just didn't have the turn of foot the other two had."

This borderline proves that Gomez mailed in the ride. For him to say he thought he was money at the 3/8ths pole is ridiculous.
He still SUCKS!