Biancone

[The Bid]

Its hard to detect unless you have a fridge full of vials labled "TOXIC, COBRA VENOM"

I guess we should forgive him, afterall he is French

[robfla]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I guess we should forgive him, afterall he is French

[The Bid]

If that thing came with a fold out syringe we could rest comfortably knowing Biancone had one.

That things pretty funny Rob, just got done reading through all the options

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Concern

Cobra venom is used to deaden the nerve endings, making it possible for an injured horse to run without feeling any pain. Should the pre-existing injury that is being masked by the venom lead to an unfortunate breakdown, all of the horses and jockeys in the race are potentially in danger of losing their lives. This is a very serious offense and life in prison is not an unrealistic penalty in this case.

Life in prison for possesion of cobra venom is a little harsh, dont ya think?

[The Bid]

Probably a good punishment for Biancone would be taking away his cigarettes

I'm not suggesting that mere possession of cobra venom could lead to life in prison. However, if it is proven that he knowingly used it on a horse, that is a different matter open to a number of federal charges.

[parsixfarms]

Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

I completely agree.

I agree, jockeys have been banned so why not a trainer.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

I've stated this already,and what I don't get is how they can toss the jockey's off the property for alleged cheating/wagering scams with no explanation,Yet this guy is caught red handed and they do nothing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

There is no doubt in my mind if he didn't have the powerful owners that he has he would have been tossed off the grounds of Keeneland on the spot. As much as I hate to say it I believe he will skate on this. Just as Assmussen and other high profile guys never seem to lose any business despite troubles similar to this. The "leaders" of the industry are not that concerned with cleaning up the sport because many of them are highly involved with those who need to be cleansed. Sad but true.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Concern

I'm not suggesting that mere possession of cobra venom could lead to life in prison. However, if it is proven that he knowingly used it on a horse, that is a different matter open to a number of federal charges.

It would seem that an illegal substance adminstered to a horse that results in injury or worse to the jockey might result in serious consequences for those responsible.

[The Bid]

Chuck, I know you are usually right but I think Mr Biancone is going to go on a vacation for this, and not a short one. Class 1, injectables in the barn, and the guy has already been in trouble, is it possible he gets off with a slapped wrist? I cant believe hes still allowed to enter, amazing.

[ForestofWonders]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

They dont seem to have a problem banning jockeys that haven't been charged with anything yet.

good point

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Chuck, I know you are usually right but I think Mr Biancone is going to go on a vacation for this, and not a short one. Class 1, injectables in the barn, and the guy has already been in trouble, is it possible he gets off with a slapped wrist? I cant believe hes still allowed to enter, amazing.

I hope that I am wrong on this one. But I just get this feeling that he is going to get a 60 day suspension which will be appealed forever until he takes his days a la Pletcher in the winter when he would not run much anyway. He wont lose any horses or clients and as soon as he is done with his vacation things will go back to being status quo.

[The Bid]

If that happens it will be TRAGIC

I hate to wish bad on anyone but hes had more than enough chances

I can only thing of one other guy who could get away with having King Cobras in their tackroom fridge on the grounds of Keeneland or Churchill

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

If that happens it will be TRAGIC

I hate to wish bad on anyone but hes had more than enough chances

I can only thing of one other guy who could get away with having King Cobra on the grounds of Keeneland or Churchill

I can think of 5. TP,KM,SM,SA,DR.

[The Bid]

All of them and Cresini. Hes been known to keep the fridge stocked with King Cobras

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

All of them and Cresini. Hes been known to keep the fridge stocked with King Cobras

He is an untouchable....literally

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/86497.html

Read this and tell me you wont start having doubts about what is going to happen