Any Given Saturday - Page 3

Danzig · #41 08-05-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He bullied Curlin around the turn and it was lights out after that. 20 days rest is plenty considering how this one has developed. As a horse racing fan, I am fed up with the duck and dodge/we need rest mentality.

tired of it, and changing it are two different things. that's the shame of it.

saying that he might skip the travers would not be MY way of thinking...just throwing it out there that it may well be pletchers. he likes those long layoffs.

Hoist Her Flag · #42 08-05-2007, 09:45 PM

I'm not sure if anybody remembers seeing the quote. I think it was in the Racing Form may have been in one of Steve Haskins Columns. Pletcher said when asked about Circular Quay's long layoff, that he would have rested Any Given Saturday from the Tampa Bay Derby all the Way to the Derby if he had the earnings. So it is conceivable that he may give him only one more race before the Breeders Cup.

#43 08-05-2007, 11:16 PM

Great thread.

I love the battle of Images.

Good for you guys who cleaned up.

Hope you bet him Seattle.

whodey17 · #44 08-05-2007, 11:22 PM

Could the Woodward be a possibility for AGS? Woodward is Sept 1st then the JCGC on Sept 29th and then the BCC on Oct 27th. That is about 4 weeks between each start. If he could beat older horses in one of those races and then perform well in the BCC then he could be 3 year old the year.

letswastemoney · #45 08-05-2007, 11:27 PM

Street Sense is still the leader of the division.

hockey2315 · #46 08-05-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

Could the Woodward be a possibility for AGS? Woodward is Sept 1st then the JCGC on Sept 29th and then the BCC on Oct 27th. That is about 4 weeks between each start. If he could beat older horses in one of those races and then perform well in the BCC then he could be 3 year old the year.

Interesting possibility if he can't run in the Travers but I think TAP will do everything he can to run AGS there. . . He's got plenty of older horses that would be contenders in the Woodward and no one else for the Travers. As we all know you can't have a graded stakes in NY without a Pletcher or two. . .

whodey17 · #47 08-05-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Interesting possibility if he can't run in the Travers but I think TAP will do everything he can to run AGS there. . . He's got plenty of older horses that would be contenders in the Woodward and no one else for the Travers. As we all know you can't have a graded stakes in NY without a Pletcher or two. . .

I would assume he would want to keep Lawyer Ron and AGS away from each other. There is also the Super Derby which I think would fit AGS very well.

whodey17 · #48 08-05-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I doubt it, not that what you are proposing doesn't make sense. It's just non traditional and the connections know the road to the eclipse goes through Street Sense.

Needless to say, the 2nd half of the year looks pretty interesting.

hockey2315 · #49 08-05-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

I would assume he would want to keep Lawyer Ron and AGS away from each other. There is also the Super Derby which I think would fit Lawyer Ron very well.

Super Derby's for 3 year olds. . . I think Lawyer Ron either won it or atleast ran in it last year . . .

whodey17 · #50 08-05-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

You know that Lawyer Ron has no chance to win the Super Derby.

Yes, I meant AGS. Thanks

miraja2 · #51 08-05-2007, 11:50 PM

The interesting thing to me is that after the Street Sense's Jim Dandy and the AGS's Dwyer and Haskell, this year's Tampa Bay Derby shapes up as an even more memorable race.
It could end up being a race like the 2004 Woodward which was a very exciting race at the time, but grew siginificantly in stature given the subsequent accomplishments of the two horses involved in the stretch battle.

miraja2 · #52 08-05-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr

Nice win for AGS. Very impressive, but to keep things in perspective of the big picture, the BC, Classic, his 1 1/8 time was almost 2 seconds slower than Lawyer Ron's freakish effort in the Whitney

Along with the pointlessness of comparing two races run a week apart on two different tracks (which others have pointed out), I HATE it when people act like the only thing that matters is the BCC. The Haskell is a G1 race. It isn't some prep race for a race run three months from now. Who gives a rat's ass how this colt compares with Lawyer Ron right now?

Sightseek · #53 08-05-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

The interesting thing to me is that after the Street Sense's Jim Dandy and the AGS's Dwyer and Haskell, this year's Tampa Bay Derby shapes up as an even more memorable race.
It could end up being a race like the 2004 Woodward which was a very exciting race at the time, but grew siginificantly in stature given the subsequent accomplishments of the two horses involved in the stretch battle.

Early move aside in the WV Derby...even the 3rd place finisher has been raking in the cash in the 'second tier' stakes.

The Indomitable DrugS · #54 08-06-2007, 02:38 AM

And the 4th place finisher, who has a heart the size of a pea, won a Grade 2 sprinting at Saratoga last week.

Slewbopper · #55 08-06-2007, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He bullied Curlin around the turn and it was lights out after that. 20 days rest is plenty considering how this one has developed. As a horse racing fan, I am fed up with the duck and dodge/we need rest mentality.

I am with you PP. The Dandy used to be run 13 days before the Travers. Then the meet went to 5 weeks and it became 20 days. Then the meet went to 6 weeks and the Dandy remained 20 days before the Travers, until recently when it went to 27 days. Blame it all on the Breeders Cup for the duck and dodge approach.

Slewbopper · #56 08-06-2007, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

I would assume he would want to keep Lawyer Ron and AGS away from each other. There is also the Super Derby which I think would fit AGS very well.

My guess is that Curlin goes to the Super Derby. La Downs will up the purse from 500 K to $1 mil if any of the TC winners shows up. Should Curlin go there, the extra money may be enough to lure AGS to the bayou for a rematch with Curlin.

King Glorious · #57 08-06-2007, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Considering the way he came into the Wood off the Tampa Bay Derby (3 weeks rest), I would highly doubt we'd seem him in the Travers

It wasn't the fact that it was coming back in three weeks, it was the fact that they altered his training. He was training for a different race so he wasn't set for the Wood. If the plan is the Travers now, three weeks is enough for any racehorse to be ready.

Sightseek · #58 08-06-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And the 4th place finisher, who has a heart the size of a pea, won a Grade 2 sprinting at Saratoga last week.

Those are fightin' words Drugzie!

The Indomitable DrugS · #59 08-06-2007, 08:45 AM

He does seem to be past his seconditis I guess.....

At least for that race anyway.

whodey17 · #60 08-06-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Slewbopper

My guess is that Curlin goes to the Super Derby. La Downs will up the purse from 500 K to $1 mil if any of the TC winners shows up. Should Curlin go there, the extra money may be enough to lure AGS to the bayou for a rematch with Curlin.

Now that would be very interesting and something that LA Downs would love to market.