ND (me) vs. PSU (Hoss)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'd say it's a bit premature to fire a coach coming off a BCS berth after two games, don't you think? NT

No,I don't think it's premature.They aren't the team that almost beat S.C. 2 years ago.No amount of Priest's wafer is gunna change that.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No,I don't think it's premature.They aren't the team that almost beat S.C. 2 years ago.No amount of Priest's wafer is gunna change that.

So a coaching change after two games would?

If you think so, tell me an available college coach right now who'd be doing a better job with the talent Charlie Weis has.

NT

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'd say it's a bit premature to fire a coach coming off a BCS berth after two games, don't you think? Michigan fans can say whatever they want to right now about Lloyd Carr, but they loved him heading into the OSU-Michigan game last year and applauded him afterwards.

Charlie Weis has done a pretty good job at ND also, especially with two consecutive huge bowl appearances. You can't make coaching changes after two games in my opinion.

NT

2 bowl BSC bowl apperences that they didn't deserve and got crushed in both games.
i agree weis should not be fired and given a chance to turn around the program. they won 10 games his first season but did NOT beat a quality team and he had some talent. they won games on weis' schemes because DC's couldn't prepare for his offense. last year they scored few points because DC's had 1 years worth of films to study and he had less talent especially on defense. this year he has a decent defense and NO offensive line and no experience at qb. nd line troubles won't get fixed this year or next because weis didn't recriut and sign lineman.
Saban and Alabama are in the same boat. shula signed skill people and NO lineman.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So a coaching change after two games would?

If you think so, tell me an available college coach right now who'd be doing a better job with the talent Charlie Weis has.

NT

Let me show you something.The Dodgers are managed by Grady Little Ability...O.K....Now,last year,they went on a huge losing streak right after the allstar break.This year,they went on a big losing streak during the 1st 2 weeks of August.That's not just a freak coincidence.He can't get men to produce.So,this team is gunna struggle as long as this guy is calling the shots,and not correctly motivating a bunch of guys who have the talent to win atleast 7-10 more games than they have....He has the talent.He can't manage at this level.This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either.Maybe he can in the pros.Pete Carrol didn't have much success in the pros,but something about the college game fits him.Don't tell me he had a good program.When he took that job,nobody wanted that mess that Paul Hackett left.He didn't take a long time(like you're requesting we give this guy.) S.C. started getting better(slowly ,but each year much better.)This N.D. team is going the other way(under this guy.)I don't care(either way,)but I know this guy can't cut it.I don't think it's always about who could do better.You can't let a loser stay in charge of men.You move them out until somebody does the job.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'd say it's a bit premature to fire a coach coming off a BCS berth after two games, don't you think? Michigan fans can say whatever they want to right now about Lloyd Carr, but they loved him heading into the OSU-Michigan game last year and applauded him afterwards.

Charlie Weis has done a pretty good job at ND also, especially with two consecutive huge bowl appearances. You can't make coaching changes after two games in my opinion.

NT

i'd think carr ought to be given more credit for over a dozen years coaching success--certainly deserves more time to turn things around then weis, who has no track record with that school--as for the two bowl appearances, you'd have to be a real screw up to not make a bowl with notre dame. 6-5 and they get a game, it's ridiculous.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Let me show you something.The Dodgers are managed by Grady Little Ability...O.K....Now,last year,they went on a huge losing streak right after the allstar break.This year,they went on a big losing streak during the 1st 2 weeks of August.That's not just a freak coincidence.He can't get men to produce.So,this team is gunna struggle as long as this guy is calling the shots,and not correctly motivating a bunch of guys who have the talent to win atleast 7-10 more games than they have....He has the talent.He can't manage at this level.This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either.Maybe he can in the pros.Pete Carrol didn't have much success in the pros,but something about the college game fits him.Don't tell me he had a good program.When he took that job,nobody wanted that mess that Paul Hackett left.He didn't take a long time(like you're requesting we give this guy.) S.C. started getting better(slowly ,but each year much better.)This N.D. team is going the other way(under this guy.)I don't care(either way,)but I know this guy can't cut it.I don't think it's always about who could do better.You can't let a loser stay in charge of men.You move them out until somebody does the job.

happens quite often, look at saban. some can do one, some the other, but not many can succeed at both. not many jimmy 'hair helmet' johnsons in this world.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

happens quite often, look at saban. some can do one, some the other, but not many can succeed at both. not many jimmy 'hair helmet' johnsons in this world.

His "motivation" did not work so good with the Dolphins

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Let me show you something.The Dodgers are managed by Grady Little Ability...O.K....Now,last year,they went on a huge losing streak right after the allstar break.This year,they went on a big losing streak during the 1st 2 weeks of August.That's not just a freak coincidence.He can't get men to produce.So,this team is gunna struggle as long as this guy is calling the shots,and not correctly motivating a bunch of guys who have the talent to win atleast 7-10 more games than they have....He has the talent.He can't manage at this level.This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either.Maybe he can in the pros.Pete Carrol didn't have much success in the pros,but something about the college game fits him.Don't tell me he had a good program.When he took that job,nobody wanted that mess that Paul Hackett left.He didn't take a long time(like you're requesting we give this guy.) S.C. started getting better(slowly ,but each year much better.)This N.D. team is going the other way(under this guy.)I don't care(either way,)but I know this guy can't cut it.I don't think it's always about who could do better.You can't let a loser stay in charge of men.You move them out until somebody does the job.

If you honestly feel that you can make an assessment like that, "This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either" after two games, both against top 15 teams, then I suppose we can agree to disagree.

You then said that I am requesting we give Weis a "long time." If you consider three seasons a long time, then yeah, I'm asking for a long time.

Your post wreaks of a bad sports attitude right now that coaches should be given no slack for even part of a bad season. You are talking about firing a guy who was the toast of South Bend two years ago, given a TEN YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION, and is now piecing together a team that lost every major skill position player. Hell, if ND wasn't planning on giving Weis the entire 2007 season to get this team straightened out, then they should have fired him over the summer.

The Rooneys could have pulled the plug on Bill Cowher numerous times. The Jazz could have done so with Jerry Sloan. Paterno could have gotten fired, same with Bowden. Sometimes coaches deserve some time and I'm quite confident more than two games is a necessary amount of time.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you honestly feel that you can make an assessment like that, "This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either" after two games, both against top 15 teams, then I suppose we can agree to disagree.

You then said that I am requesting we give Weis a "long time." If you consider three seasons a long time, then yeah, I'm asking for a long time.

Your post wreaks of a bad sports attitude right now that coaches should be given no slack for even part of a bad season. You are talking about firing a guy who was the toast of South Bend two years ago, given a TEN YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION, and is now piecing together a team that lost every major skill position player. Hell, if ND wasn't planning on giving Weis the entire 2007 season to get this team straightened out, then they should have fired him over the summer.

The Rooneys could have pulled the plug on Bill Cowher numerous times. The Jazz could have done so with Jerry Sloan. Paterno could have gotten fired, same with Bowden. Sometimes coaches deserve some time and I'm quite confident more than two games is a necessary amount of time.

NT

He is just mad because Grady Little is in a coma

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you honestly feel that you can make an assessment like that, "This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either" after two games, both against top 15 teams, then I suppose we can agree to disagree.

You then said that I am requesting we give Weis a "long time." If you consider three seasons a long time, then yeah, I'm asking for a long time.

Your post wreaks of a bad sports attitude right now that coaches should be given no slack for even part of a bad season. You are talking about firing a guy who was the toast of South Bend two years ago, given a TEN YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION, and is now piecing together a team that lost every major skill position player. Hell, if ND wasn't planning on giving Weis the entire 2007 season to get this team straightened out, then they should have fired him over the summer.

The Rooneys could have pulled the plug on Bill Cowher numerous times. The Jazz could have done so with Jerry Sloan. Paterno could have gotten fired, same with Bowden. Sometimes coaches deserve some time and I'm quite confident more than two games is a necessary amount of time.

NT

I'm not advocating firing the guy at all, but great college football coaches (with 10 year contracts) have to have the ability to look ahead and assess what their team is going to look like for the next couple years and do something about it. There is a benefit from playing these cupcake teams that most of the big programs do, you rotate young players in so when you lose "every major skill position player" in one season, the cupboard is not bare. Elite programs reload, they don't need entire seasons to straighten out their team.

That said, he has only been there two years and only had one recruiting class to work with (last year), but I would not advocate giving him a free pass for the whole season. He needs to show major improvement as his kids get playing time and their schedule seems to set up nicely for a big finish so next year they can be overrated at the start of the season.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is just mad because Grady Little is in a coma

I wish he would go run a lil cattle ranch in that dump called Texas.If I can't have that,I'll settle for him in a coma.Tough way to have to move somebody,but he has to go somehow.He does look like he wears that blue sweatshirt in a pre-game nap,and then just comes to the bench 10 mintes before the game starts.People don't wear sweatshirts to important occasions.So,he is basically letting all the players know that he is doing the equivalent of factory work.There is nothing about him that says he has a passion for getting the team to raise it's play to anywhere near it's potential. Too much "oh well," and "that's the way it goes sometimes" being used to excuse what really is the result of poor execution.This is one guy that I know isn't getting out of his team what it really has to offer.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Fat Ball AIN'T CUTTING IT. Now, how much more ass-kicking they gunna take before he is looking for a coordinator job for next year? I am not that smart,but I am smart enough to know this guy has gotta go.

[Crown@club]

10 year contract Scuds - not going to happen.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

10 year contract Scuds - not going to happen.

Yeah,right..They gunna keep getting tail beat,and not change coaches...LOL....SOME RICH CATHOLIC CAN PAY THIS GUY.
They gotta move on.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah,right..They gunna keep getting tail beat,and not change coaches...LOL....SOME RICH CATHOLIC CAN PAY THIS GUY.
They gotta move on.

you are kidding? weis is playing with willingham leftovers and his kids are only sophs. and many of the are now learning under fire. no one is loving nd at 0-3 more than me but i can give him a chance because i respect the history of the program.

[Danzig]

no one more popular than a winner...why weis is struggling so badly, i don't know. should he get the boot so quickly? not for me to decide. but i wouldn't be surprised if they did let him go. things are not the way they used to be.

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no one more popular than a winner...why weis is struggling so badly, i don't know. should he get the boot so quickly? not for me to decide. but i wouldn't be surprised if they did let him go. things are not the way they used to be.

ND is still paying Willingham and have 10 years left on Weiss' contract at one million a year. He's not going anywhere.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by satan's twin

ND is still paying Willingham and have 10 years left on Weiss' contract at one million a year. He's not going anywhere.

No wonder he smiles so damn much on the sideline.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

What's a few more million? Look at how much they paid to the victims of priests in San Diego alone.

http://agonist.org/20070907/198_1_mi...t_abuse_claims

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Here's the thing, Willingham was let go after 3 years. What is the difference here, other than Weis was a good assistant? In his best year, Weis was coaching with Willingham's team. Players he recruited and coached. Since that first year they have gotten worse. This is a team that Weis recruited....they are awful. I do not see how they will win more than 2 maybe 3 games this year and I find it hard to believe he keeps his job if that happens. Especially if the NY Giant job opens up.

i didn't think willingham should have been fired after 3 yrs. i personally think they should get 5yrs. at 5yrs you have ALL YOUR players, thats when you find out where your are.
do i think weis has recriuted well in his first 2 seasons? no. do i think he'll turn nd around in 5 yrs? no. do i think weis can coach and game plan and call plays? yes.