The Green Monkey: I'll be the first to say it

[Indian Charlie]

what i think JRV really meant to say was that tgm wanted to run the same distance, but in a longer amount of time.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

All I got to say is Roi Maudit @ 10/1 was awful sweet

If the overhyped Green Rat was bet like he should have been, Roi Maudit shouldn't have been over 4-1.

I've always felt the big yearling first time starters are almost always overbet.

[free25]

I dont think that was all that bad for a 1st start. He ran in 10 and change. Any other horse and we would all be saying that was a great tightener for better things. I actually believe that he is not a sprinter either. Any horse that is ridden from the bell to the wire is not a sprinter. I guess you all want him to run 1:08 and be broken down by his third lifetime start. Be happy that they paid money for him and continue to support the sales well. Its a fascinating story still if he makes it or not.

[RolloTomasi]

I actually believe that he is not a sprinter either. Any horse that is ridden from the bell to the wire is not a sprinter.

Then what is a horse that has to be ridden from the bell to the wire called? You know, aside from "loser"?

I guess you all want him to run 1:08 and be broken down by his third lifetime start.

It would be nice if he could run 1:08 and change, but I won't hold my breath. By the way, he was broken down before his first start.

Be happy that they paid money for him and continue to support the sales well.

Yeah, we need more people getting fleeced at the sales on horses that can barely get to the races so that new owners are attracted to the sport.

Its a fascinating story still if he makes it or not.

Just like the gripping Mr. Sekiguchi saga...

Your belief system fascinates me...

[Riot]

Yeah, we need more people getting fleeced at the sales on horses that can barely get to the races so that new owners are attracted to the sport.

Who exactly was getting "fleeced" reference TGM? You consider Coolmore uneducated on the gambling nature of horse racing?

If you're going to call anyone who buys a horse at a sale "getting fleeced" if the horse "barely gets to the races", well, 20% of owners are getting fleeced every year, right now, and always have been.

What does anyone care what Sekiguchi or anyone else pays for a horse?

This fascination with TGM by outsiders is ridiculous. His owners haven't put him on a pedestal. Either has his trainer.

That his owners have the werewithal to pay $16 million, and barely blink, for something that they simply desire, sure seems to grate on alot of people's nerves.

[RolloTomasi]

Who exactly was getting "fleeced" reference TGM? You consider Coolmore uneducated on the gambling nature of horse racing?

I'm sure Coolmore was well aware of what it was doing when buying this colt. The point is that people with money looking to get involved in the sport might be off-put by a story like The Green Monkey's.

Not to mention the ridiculous initial post, that suggested that for some reason we should be happy Coolmore will eat $6 million or so on this horse and that the 2yo-in-juring sales are supported (you know, because those sales companies are really hurting for a buck).

If you're going to call anyone who buys a horse at a sale "getting fleeced" if the horse "barely gets to the races", well, 20% of owners are getting fleeced every year, right now, and always have been.

I'm well aware of the "gamble" of buying a horse to race. But not everyone pays ridiculous amounts of money for a single individual that cannot possibly be recouped on the racetrack.


What does anyone care what Sekiguchi or anyone else pays for a horse?

Well, when people pay exuberant prices for horses, and those horses actually show talent on the racetrack a couple of times, that's when we start hearing phrases like, "we could run at 4, but economically, it's impossible to keep him in training"...

Besides, doesn't the overblown prices the big guys pay for horses artificially drive up the prices for all the horses at the sales?

This fascination with TGM by outsiders is ridiculous. His owners haven't put him on a pedestal. Either has his trainer.

The fascination with the story is not ridiculous, its the story itself that is ridiculous. Back in the '70s and '80s when everyone was still racing their horses, Robert Sangster found great success by striving to produce stallions instead of racehorses. By getting a young horse to snag one or two top class races and then whisking it off to stud, he popularized marketing a horse based on potential rather than actual performance. That's all fine when you're the only one doing it, but now 20 years on, everyone is doing it, trying to produce stallions not caring whether they can actually run or not. Meanwhile, the quality of racing has nosedived.

The Green Monkey's story is this process in the extreme. The absurd part is that here's a horse that even if he could run like Secretariat probably would have no shot at earning back his purchase price on the racetrack. And the sad reality is he can't run a jump...

That his owners have the werewithal to pay $16 million, and barely blink, for something that they simply desire, sure seems to grate on alot of people's nerves.

Yeah, let them eat cake...

[johnny pinwheel]

its not about getting fleeced. its money and ego. someone else was bidding that horse. hence the big price. not that i was there or anything ,but i'm sure the word was hip # so and so is a monster. now you put a couple of big wallets in the room , with egos to match. viola , a 16 million dollar maiden claimer is born !

[Riot]

Not to mention the ridiculous initial post, that suggested that for some reason we should be happy Coolmore will eat $6 million or so on this horse and that the 2yo-in-juring sales are supported (you know, because those sales companies are really hurting for a buck).

I always resented Keeneland for publically saying, "We don't hold training sales, as we don't believe 2-yr-old-in-training sales are good for the horse", then later reversing that stand with, "but that's what the buying public wants".

That's all fine when you're the only one doing it, but now 20 years on, everyone is doing it, trying to produce stallions not caring whether they can actually run or not. Meanwhile, the quality of racing has nosedived.

I waiting to see what happens when the "breeding a race horse" industry comes up against ... no racing industry left.

[Cannon Shell]

The Green Monkey is an appealing story because it is so out of the realm of the real world of horseracing and breeding. Of course the sale was suspicious from the start and remains so. There was no intent on this horse being a top horse or stallion, if it happened than it happened. The reason that the price went to what it went for is a complex situation that has to do with factors that most of us dont know about.

The fact is that there is a 16 million dollar price tag on the head of a pretty average horse, who is owned by very wealthy guys who got what they wanted.

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Would it not be fantastic to see his next start in a $40KMC..

I hope they don't.....I would most likely head to the bank to refinance.