Why are Hard Spun's Connections so stubborn? - Page 3

ArlJim78 · #41 09-18-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because there is little chance that they will lose the Haskell to Belmont or Churchill. They are under the microscope and be sure that they know it. If you see 3 or 4 wire to wire winners in the dirt races ypu can be sure you wont see Monmouth with another Breeders Cup.

if this is an issue they are concerned with, why wouldn't they have already taken the steps to make the track less speed favoring? why do it only on those two days? won't that also look bad to make a last minute surface change? what good did it do for the people who sent their BC contenders out there to get a race in on the surface, if they go and substantially alter it at the last minute?

Cannon Shell · #42 09-18-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

if this is an issue they are concerned with, why wouldn't they have already taken the steps to make the track less speed favoring? why do it only on those two days? won't that also look bad to make a last minute surface change? what good did it do for the people who sent their BC contenders out there to get a race in on the surface, if they go and substantially alter it at the last minute?

"Changing" the track is a simple process of taking extra dirt off , adding some or adding clay, changing the length of the harrows, adding water or not...
They dont have to dig it up or anything.

How will we know how the surface is playing until the BC days since they have no races there now?

I am always skeptical about saying a race over the track in July has any effect in November under different circumstances like the fact it will probably be 45 degrees colder and likely wetter.

ArlJim78 · #43 09-18-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"Changing" the track is a simple process of taking extra dirt off , adding some or adding clay, changing the length of the harrows, adding water or not...
They dont have to dig it up or anything.

How will we know how the surface is playing until the BC days since they have no races there now?

I am always skeptical about saying a race over the track in July has any effect in November under different circumstances like the fact it will probably be 45 degrees colder and likely wetter.

i wasn't implying it was a complicated process to change it, but that track has played pretty consistently for some time. i guess fall weather is another variable though. lots of attention will be focused on the prelimary races.

Cannon Shell · #44 09-18-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i wasn't implying it was a complicated process to change it, but that track has played pretty consistently for some time. i guess fall weather is another variable though. lots of attention will be focused on the prelimary races.

It is like 3/5 to rain that weekend anyway

blackthroatedwind · #45 09-18-2007, 10:37 PM

Lure demolished a field in his grass debut prior to running second on soft or yielding turf in the Kelso.

geeker2 · #46 09-18-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is like 3/5 to rain that weekend anyway

Maybe entering Hard Spun in the turf mile isn't such a bad idea...when it gets washed off and we have 3/4 of the field scratch..he would be a lock!

Cannon Shell · #47 09-18-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

Maybe entering Hard Spun in the turf mile isn't such a bad idea...when it gets washed off and we have 3/4 of the field scratch..he would be a lock!

Coming off the turf wont happen no matter what

But I would like to see a horse entered
MTO-No rider

in the Turf.

The Indomitable DrugS · #48 09-18-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But I would like to see a horse entered
MTO-No rider

in the Turf.

That's about as likely to happen as the Cleveland Browns scoring over 50 points in a game.

NoLuvForPletch · #49 09-18-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is like 3/5 to rain that weekend anyway

Oh don't say that Chuck...My seats are on the apron and there is only enough room inside for 20 people, 30 tops...

NoLuvForPletch · #50 09-18-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Coming off the turf wont happen no matter what

But I would like to see a horse entered
MTO-No rider

in the Turf.

Evening Attire

Cannon Shell · #51 09-18-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Oh don't say that Chuck...My seats are on the apron and there is only enough room inside for 20 people, 30 tops...

Dress warm

Danzig · #52 09-19-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

I agree with Chuck......when they all line up, do you really think he has a chance? Right now, he's at least 4th maybe 5th choice if the race includes SS, LR, AGS, and Curlin. So he lands another 15 million by winning the King's Bishop and now stands to collect 35 million when he hands the reigns to Darley, so the money is of least importance.....so from a competition perspective wouldn't you rather run a race where if everyone runs their best race, you got a shot? If everyone runs their best race in the BCC he's got no shot.

if he wins it, porter gets to say he owned a classic winner.
if he loses, what does porter lose? nothing. he doesn't have to worry about a blemish on hard spuns record, he doens't have to try to make this horse succeed in his next career. there is zero risk for him.

personally, i hope a horse with no darley connections wins the thing. they snapped up all these horses, trying to buy a win, i hope a 'small timer' gets the glory. but you'd have to think darley would rather street sense wins it, since they have both him and his sire. but they've covered their bases with any given saturday, and now own part of HIS sire, and then of course hard spun...

Samarta · #53 09-19-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

if he wins it, porter gets to say he owned a classic winner.
if he loses, what does porter lose? nothing. he doesn't have to worry about a blemish on hard spuns record, he doens't have to try to make this horse succeed in his next career. there is zero risk for him.

personally, i hope a horse with no darley connections wins the thing. they snapped up all these horses, trying to buy a win, i hope a 'small timer' gets the glory. but you'd have to think darley would rather street sense wins it, since they have both him and his sire. but they've covered their bases with any given saturday, and now own part of HIS sire, and then of course hard spun...

But that's the name of the game for a lot of them including Porter....Offered in the 4 mill range for Lawyer Ron when he was still with Holthus at Oaklawn. He just bought 50% interest in Kodiak Kowboy. It's what a lot of people do....I don't fault Darley at all.....

King Glorious · #54 09-20-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

But that's the name of the game for a lot of them including Porter....Offered in the 4 mill range for Lawyer Ron when he was still with Holthus at Oaklawn. He just bought 50% interest in Kodiak Kowboy. It's what a lot of people do....I don't fault Darley at all.....

Amen.

Danzig · #55 09-20-2007, 06:10 AM

yeah, that's true. but darley has tremendously deep pockets, they could buy up all of it, and then every week we could watch darley horses. wouldn't that be fun? hey, we could even change the name of the breed to darleys. well, maybe not..i kid. but i always root for the underdog anyway. and certainly darley is no underdog.

Samarta · #56 09-20-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, that's true. but darley has tremendously deep pockets, they could buy up all of it, and then every week we could watch darley horses. wouldn't that be fun? hey, we could even change the name of the breed to darleys. well, maybe not..i kid. but i always root for the underdog anyway. and certainly darley is no underdog.

Maybe they should just change their name from Darley to The Yankees and every year they will be crowned triple crown and Breeder's Cup Champs in January and then guess what happens....they run the race and they lose a lot more than they win....

Danzig · #57 09-20-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

Maybe they should just change their name from Darley to The Yankees and every year they will be crowned triple crown and Breeder's Cup Champs in January and then guess what happens....they run the race and they lose a lot more than they win....

well, in that case, call them notre dame...

Cannon Shell · #58 09-20-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

But that's the name of the game for a lot of them including Porter....Offered in the 4 mill range for Lawyer Ron when he was still with Holthus at Oaklawn. He just bought 50% interest in Kodiak Kowboy. It's what a lot of people do....I don't fault Darley at all.....

oops....

NoLuvForPletch · #59 10-23-2007, 01:26 PM

So, not that anyone cares, but after all of the bitching I did about having Hard Spun run in the Classic and not put him on turf, I must now admit this seems like the right move. I can't believe he will be loose on the lead again but it certainly looks that way. Lawyer Ron is the ONLY one that has enough speed to run with him, but are they really going to send him and hook up the Hard Spun for the opening 6f? What does he have to go to have a shot 1:11? Can he get away with that?

SentToStud · #60 10-23-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, that's true. but darley has tremendously deep pockets, they could buy up all of it, and then every week we could watch darley horses. wouldn't that be fun? hey, we could even change the name of the breed to darleys. well, maybe not..i kid. but i always root for the underdog anyway. and certainly darley is no underdog.

All thoroughbreds descend from one of three horses. Darley Arabian is one; Godlphin Arabian and Byerly Turk are the others.