Is Grasshopper a walk over? - Page 3

letswastemoney · #41 09-20-2007, 10:42 PM

All it would take is Grasshopper to go down 7 beyer points and Past the Point to go up 7 beyer points. It's not out of the question. Grasshopper did go from 89 to 105 in 2 races, so it's too early to say what Past the Point can do.

Saying that though, Grasshopper will probably win.

blackthroatedwind · #42 09-20-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

All it would take is Grasshopper to go down 7 beyer points and Past the Point to go up 7 beyer points. It's not out of the question. Grasshopper did go from 89 to 105 in 2 races, so it's too early to say what Past the Point can do.

Saying that though, Grasshopper will probably win.

Betting the second choice while praying for an eight or nine length reversal of form, for no legitimate reason, may not be a great road to horseplaying success.

letswastemoney · #43 09-20-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Betting the second choice while praying for an eight or nine length reversal of form, for no legitimate reason, may not be a great road to horseplaying success.

He's lightly raced. I wouldn't say the same about a horse that has started 10 times, but I'd give the possibility to a horse that has started 3 or 4 times.

SniperSB23 · #44 09-20-2007, 10:53 PM

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As I said at the time, I believe Street Sense was actually a good play in the Travers, even at those low odds. I probably underestimated Grasshopper that day, and I may be doing it again in this one, but trying to beat him here makes a lot more sense to me than trying to beat Street Sense in the Travers. I felt I was almost sure that I knew how Street Sense would perform going into that race based on his previous performances at that track and at that distance. I have a lot more questions about how Grasshopper will perform on Saturday. How will he fare in a two-turn race with semi-fast early fractions? Will he be able to repeat his Saratoga performances on another track? The answers are probably yes, but at odds-on I think I'll take a shot.

He rated with no problem in sprints, don't see why he'd have a problem in a route. Actually he even rated in a route already as a 2yo. I've loved Grasshopper since early on but even I didn't think he could beat Street Sense. The difference between Grasshopper and this field though is a hell of a lot bigger than between SS and the Travers field.

ArlJim78 · #45 09-20-2007, 11:01 PM

all he has to do is stay in the clear and he wins. it wasn't a fluke that he pushed Street Sense all out and left the rest of the field at Saratoga in the dust. the also rans in the Travers are better than what he faces now.

Indian Charlie · #46 09-21-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Past the Point has a shot

i'm quite probably the biggest fan of indian charlie (the horse) in the entire world, and i say unless grasshopper falls down, past the point has no shot.

King Glorious · #47 09-21-2007, 02:08 AM

While I am not sold on Grasshopper being very good, I do think this is a one horse race and if he loses, it would probably qualify for biggest upset of the year.

miraja2 · #48 09-21-2007, 07:57 AM

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While I am not sold on Grasshopper being very good, I do think this is a one horse race and if he loses, it would probably qualify for biggest upset of the year.

The biggest upset of the year? Really? I guess I just see this race a lot differently than almost everyone else. I mean I even brought King Glorious and blackthroatedwind together against me on this one! I just don't think a victory by the 2,5,6 or 10 horse would even come close to being the upset of the year.
Grasshopper is clearly the most likely winner, but I fail to see how he has accomplished enough to make his potential defeat such a gigantic upset.

The Indomitable DrugS · #49 09-21-2007, 10:25 AM

The race looks like a Grasshopper - Going Ballistic - Past the Point straight trifecta.

King Glorious · #50 09-21-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

The biggest upset of the year? Really? I guess I just see this race a lot differently than almost everyone else. I mean I even brought King Glorious and blackthroatedwind together against me on this one! I just don't think a victory by the 2,5,6 or 10 horse would even come close to being the upset of the year.
Grasshopper is clearly the most likely winner, but I fail to see how he has accomplished enough to make his potential defeat such a gigantic upset.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against u at all. If I were to bet this race, I'd look to beat him too and because I'm not sold on him, I don't think by any means is he a lock. I just think that on paper, he towers over the field by a huge margin. It's not that he's accomplished so much; it's that his competition has accomplished so little. But he's definitely not unbeatable here.

miraja2 · #51 09-21-2007, 10:15 PM

Here is my $30 wager (if the odds are what I expect them to be):
$1 trifecta: 2,10/2,9,10/2,6,9,10
$1 exacta box: 2-9-10
$4 WP: 2
$4 WP: 10

The Indomitable DrugS · #52 09-22-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race looks like a Grasshopper - Going Ballistic - Past the Point straight trifecta.

Ah well.

miraja2 · #53 09-22-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Here is my $30 wager (if the odds are what I expect them to be):
$1 trifecta: 2,10/2,9,10/2,6,9,10
$1 exacta box: 2-9-10
$4 WP: 2
$4 WP: 10

Looks like I hit the $1, 10-9-6 trifecta,
the $1, 10-9 exacta,
a $4 win bet,
and a $4 place bet.
Even a blind squirrel......

King Glorious · #54 09-22-2007, 10:17 PM

Using the logic u used to tell me how Crossing the Line wasn't as good as Shakespeare, do u now place Going Ballistic on an even level with Street Sense? Sorry, couldn't resist.

Sorry but Grasshopper is NOT very good. Just another example of why these 3yo's aren't that good. They are evenly matched but nothing special.

blackthroatedwind · #55 09-22-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Using the logic u used to tell me how Crossing the Line wasn't as good as Shakespeare, do u now place Going Ballistic on an even level with Street Sense? Sorry, couldn't resist.

Sorry but Grasshopper is NOT very good. Just another example of why these 3yo's aren't that good. They are evenly matched but nothing special.

Did you happen to notice how your current selection for the BC Mile, Silver Tree, did at 2:5 at the Meadowlands last night?

King Glorious · #56 09-22-2007, 10:41 PM

Looks like it was a bad weekend of handicapping for the experts and the novices alike.

blackthroatedwind · #57 09-22-2007, 10:47 PM

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Looks like it was a bad weekend of handicapping for the experts and the novices alike.

I had a good day today at the track.....and my public selections did fine. If it makes you happy I can list the winners I have recently given out over different airways.

King Glorious · #58 09-22-2007, 10:58 PM

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I had a good day today at the track.....and my public selections did fine. If it makes you happy I can list the winners I have recently given out over different airways.

Why would that make me happy? It doesn't mean anything to me either way. I'm glad u had a good day at the track. But does that mean that u weren't just as wrong about Grasshopper as I was about Silver Tree? That's just the way things go. I wasn't questioning your handicapping or wagering abilities at all. I believe u are as good as anyone else.

blackthroatedwind · #59 09-22-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Why would that make me happy? It doesn't mean anything to me either way. I'm glad u had a good day at the track. But does that mean that u weren't just as wrong about Grasshopper as I was about Silver Tree? That's just the way things go. I wasn't questioning your handicapping or wagering abilities at all. I believe u are as good as anyone else.

First of all I'm kidding around....but secondly it was pretty silly for you to make those post races comments and frankly beneath you. But you know that.

By the way....Grasshopper running second is not nearly as bad as you suggesting Silver Tree was a contendor for the BC Mile. Even Bill Mott would have wept with laughter at that assertion.

And, in case you care, I judge relative competition on the turf and not particularly on the dirt.

miraja2 · #60 09-23-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Looks like it was a bad weekend of handicapping for the experts and the novices alike.

Speak for yourself man. I have had a ton of bad weekends in a row, but finally had a decent day today.
Of course, picking the "upset of the year" always helps. There was only one problem though.......it was in no way the upset of the year.