5 horses eased, 2 races Aqu-shuts down today

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Great response.

We still got our looks Andy...which is more than Drugs can say.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't see the analogy.

The problem is that this group of riders in NY have established themselves as a collective " boys who cried wolf " as they have voted to cancel racing on days that wasn't necessary ( specifically in one instance last year...if not more ). Thus they have no credibility. The bottom line is that racing was never cancelled on sloppy tracks for many years and suddenly the NY riders do it frequently. In my opinion they hold too much power over the many people that have interests in the industry and they take advantage far too often to attempt to hold us hostage.

If they were salaried workers I could see your argument. The fact though is if they cancel races that day, they don't get paid. The root of the problem is that they are making too much money if they are truly skipping race days when other jockeys who don't have as much money would be willing to ride. I certainly think they are abusing their power and canceling too much but at the same time when they try two races and five horses are eased I don't have a problem with canceling the rest of the card. I think it is the right move in that situation.

[blackthroatedwind]

I can't disagree with your last point Sniper and in all likelihood they were absolutely right to cancel. It's frustrating from a horseplayer's perspective, not to mention the barns that readied their horses for the races and sent them to the detention barn, and it just seems like the jockeys sometimes don't look at the entire picture. Yesterday, however, was probably not one of those cases overall.

The jockeys would have been better off not having Johnny V as their spokesman in this particular situation as he didn't even ride in the first two races.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I can't disagree with your last point Sniper and in all likelihood they were absolutely right to cancel. It's frustrating from a horseplayer's perspective, not to mention the barns that readied their horses for the races and sent them to the detention barn, and it just seems like the jockeys sometimes don't look at the entire picture. Yesterday, however, was probably not one of those cases overall.

The jockeys would have been better off not having Johnny V as their spokesman in this particular situation as he didn't even ride in the first two races.

Yeah, not a good choice of spokesperson. I also think in some of these situations they should let the prima donna jocks take the day off and let the ones who want to ride do so. I get a feeling a lot of the time the top jocks who can afford to take the day off are leaning on the lesser jocks to side with them in canceling the card.

It should be each jockeys individual decision and if you don't have enough jockeys left then you cancel the card.

[blackthroatedwind]

I pretty much agree with all that.

[wigmore]

maybe the should duild a dome over the track.. Indoor racing would cure the problem

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by wigmore

maybe the should duild a dome over the track.. Indoor racing would cure the problem

Any clue of how much that costs?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Any clue of how much that costs?

Can you imagine how bad that place would smell?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Can you imagine how bad that place would smell?

We have covered arenas in jumping (the smell isn't that awful, but it's not completely enclosed), but it's no where near that size... I can't imagine how much money that would entail to enclose that sort of acreage. Racing certainly doesn't generate the kind of cash flow that it would take to do that IMO.

[Honu]

When the races are called off its by majority vote in the jocks room , so if there are 20 jocks riding that day and all but two vote to cancel well the two that voted to ride are overruled. Johnny V is just the guy who relays the message , he is not the one who decides for the whole room.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

phiberto leon can be at aq in 2.5 hours.. to fill any mount...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

phiberto leon can be at aq in 2.5 hours.. to fill any mount...

Definitely cancel then.

[fpsoxfan]

Filly can ride with the best of them.

[fpsoxfan]

I don't care either way whether they cancel or not. It seems as time goes on they are more apt to cancel this day and age. What does surprise me is even though we have pages and pages on this forum dedicated to horses that have broken down or expired well before their time, there are people who question the closing of a track due to unsafe conditions. You can't have it both ways.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

When the races are called off its by majority vote in the jocks room , so if there are 20 jocks riding that day and all but two vote to cancel well the two that voted to ride are overruled. Johnny V is just the guy who relays the message , he is not the one who decides for the whole room.

Yes, and if you don't think the less experienced guys are often bullied by the " names " then I have a bridge I want to sell you.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, and if you don't think the less experienced guys are often bullied by the " names " then I have a bridge I want to sell you.

That best not be the "Brooklyn" Bridge, because I BOUGHT that one many years ago. It's mine, and if you try to sell it, you'll be hearing from my attorney, A Chaser & Ass.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, and if you don't think the less experienced guys are often bullied by the " names " then I have a bridge I want to sell you.

I see what you are saying but that really isnt how it goes , its done by vote a raise of hands , and what it comes down to is that the two can choose to ride but who is going to ride the other 8 to ten horses in the race?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

I see what you are saying but that really isnt how it goes , its done by vote a raise of hands , and what it comes down to is that the two can choose to ride but who is going to ride the other 8 to ten horses in the race?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by wigmore

maybe the should duild a dome over the track.. Indoor racing would cure the problem

Imagine one over Belmont Park.....

[pointman]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Imagine one over Belmont Park.....

You would need artificial grass, I'm sure the synthetic guys would get right on it.