SEC games

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So what conference is better?
The best football I have seen this year is in the SEC.
The best athletes I have seen all around are in the SEC.

And I am a little 12 fan.

These are the 2 dumbest statements i have seen yet. The best athletes all around? Do they have a Punt, Pass and Kick contest at halftime of the games?

How does one determine that the LSU/Tennessee game is better football than the Missouri/Oklahome game?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have you seen the SEC nonconference schedule? I went through it game by game in another thread. Not only is the SEC's record against legit non conference teams barely over .500 but they were hammered on more than a few occasions. Missouri is averaging giving up 24 pts per game so it could hardly be considered an offensive explosion. They also managed 10 pts on offense against Memphis, 17 against La Tech and rolled it up against 4-7Southland conference foe NW LA State with 38. If you think that the SEC's strength lies in its offenses you must be watching only Florida and KY.

No doubt their nonconference schedule is disgraceful and in years where the conference is down as a whole I jump all over teams from the SEC going undefeated and then complaining about getting left out of the national championship when they played such a weak nonconference schedule. This year happens to be a very good year for the SEC. I am by no means an SEC fan, not even close. I just think the quality of football in the SEC is head and shoulders ahead of the Big East and the Big Ten this year and it is a joke that we are going to have a National Championship game between two one loss teams from those down conferences when there are two better two loss teams in the SEC (one of which lost twice in 3OT). Hell, if we had a playoff I might even take Florida over any of the teams currently ranked 1-3. They desperately need a playoff to end all of this BS.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No doubt their nonconference schedule is disgraceful and in years where the conference is down as a whole I jump all over teams from the SEC going undefeated and then complaining about getting left out of the national championship when they played such a weak nonconference schedule. This year happens to be a very good year for the SEC. I am by no means an SEC fan, not even close. I just think the quality of football in the SEC is head and shoulders ahead of the Big East and the Big Ten this year and it is a joke that we are going to have a National Championship game between two one loss teams from those down conferences when there are two better two loss teams in the SEC (one of which lost twice in 3OT). Hell, if we had a playoff I might even take Florida over any of the teams currently ranked 1-3. They desperately need a playoff to end all of this BS.

Just tell me why you believe this? Florida is not as good as they usually are, GA is pretty good but not great , LSU is good but has 2 losses which could easily be 4, Tenn is about as good as they usually are, SC is not very good, miss st and Miss are weak as usual, Vandy is down compared to recent years, Arkansas is about where they usually are, Alabama is still weak, KY is better than usual but are still a 5 loss team. I actually think the SEC as a whole is down this year with no really outstanding teams and no out of the ordinary seasons from any of the middle of the road teams. I have already brought up the SEC vs. BCS schools record which is 7-7. There is just no evidence that this is true.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Just tell me why you believe this?

I'll use the Massey Ratings as an example cause they have past years available but the case holds up with any computer ratings out there, and even though computer rankings are often misunderstood they remain the only unbiased way to compare conferences.

This year they are the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf#conf

Hardly a fluke since last year they were also the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...006&mid=6#conf

Now let's compare them to the year when Auburn went undefeated and I disagreed with anyone claiming that it was unfair for an SEC team to do undefeated and not make the National Championship game. And guess what, the SEC sucked that year, they were the #5 conference:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...f&yr=2004#conf

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'll use the Massey Ratings as an example cause they have past years available but the case holds up with any computer ratings out there, and even though computer rankings are often misunderstood they remain the only unbiased way to compare conferences.

This year they are the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf#conf

Hardly a fluke since last year they were also the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...006&mid=6#conf

Now let's compare them to the year when Auburn went undefeated and I disagreed with anyone claiming that it was unfair for an SEC team to do undefeated and not make the National Championship game. And guess what, the SEC sucked that year, they were the #5 conference:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...f&yr=2004#conf

Those rankings are flawed in 2 ways. #1. is it favors the conferences with more teams because #2 It is basing it ratings on all non conference games including 1 AA teams. Therefore a conference with 12 teams will have 6 to 8 more easy wins than the 10 team conferences. And if you are such a big beliver in this system then why are you complaining about it's #1 and #2 ranked teams possibly meeting for the National Championship?

BTW-Missouri is not in the Big Ten

I will try once again.

What conference is better than the SEC????
Name one??? Then I will proceed to break it down.

Anybody on the board. This is the challenge. Name ONE conference better than the SEC???

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Those rankings are flawed in 2 ways. #1. is it favors the conferences with more teams because #2 It is basing it ratings on all non conference games including 1 AA teams. Therefore a conference with 12 teams will have 6 to 8 more easy wins than the 10 team conferences. And if you are such a big beliver in this system then why are you complaining about it's #1 and #2 ranked teams possibly meeting for the National Championship?

BTW-Missouri is not in the Big Ten

It is factoring in the weakness of the wins over 1AA teams as well to the strength of schedule so it evens out. The one way it is flawed is that to remain a component of the BCS they forced Massey to remove margin of victory from his ratings. I have a feeling his real ratings would not have those teams 1 vs 2. You can really see the difference in the Sagarin where the Rating is what he is required to publish by the BCS while the Pure Points Predictor is actually the best predictor of future games. Interestingly for Pure Points he has Oklahoma at #1 and Florida at #2 which I don't agree with as a national championship game but I could easily see being the finals of a 16 team tournament. Missouri is actually #9 in the Pure Points Predictor.

http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm

I'm already assuming Missouri to lose to Oklahoma next week so they are irrelevant in the national championship picture.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I will try once again.

What conference is better than the SEC????
Name one??? Then I will proceed to break it down.

Anybody on the board. This is the challenge. Name ONE conference better than the SEC???

I can't do it. I'm biased, though.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

These are the 2 dumbest statements i have seen yet. The best athletes all around? 1. Do they have a Punt, Pass and Kick contest at halftime of the games?

2.How does one determine that the LSU/Tennessee game is better football than the Missouri/Oklahome game?

1. Yes indeed. I have surveyed the punters and kickers of the SEC and this of course makes them better athletes.

2. You set up your own comparison. I never said anything about this one comparison.

Just tell me what conference is better than the SEC?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1. Yes indeed. I have surveyed the punters and kickers of the SEC and this of course makes them better athletes.

2. You set up your own comparison. I never said anything about this one comparison.

Just tell me what conference is better than the SEC?

I give up.
The SEC is the greatest, all the non conference games they lost were fixed, the LSU/Arky game was a set up to get the great Houston Nutt to Ol Miss to make them a top team too so that the top 25 will now become the SEC and the 13 other pretty good, not that athletic teams. I am in awe of the greatness of the athletes and coaching and fans of the SEC.


Actually I would say that Mizzou, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech and Texas A&M match up pretty well with LSU, Tennessee,GA, FL, Ark, and Auburn

Oklahoma/LSU
Mizzou/GA
Kansas/TN
Texas/FL
Texas Tech/Ark
Texas A&M/Auburn

Pretty close

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

2. You set up your own comparison. I never said anything about this one comparison.

Well if the SEC is so much the superior conference it is only natural to assume that the conference championships would be wildly in favor of the SEC. Of course maybe you are arguing that the weaker SEC teams are better than the weaker other conference teams....which you would be correct in assuming and by doing so make this a more irrelevant argument than I thought possible.

[Cannon Shell]

Rivals.com announces All American teams 1st team/2nd team/3rd team

By Conference
Big 12 - 17 All Americans
Big 10 - 16 All Americans
Pac 10 - 14 All Americans
SEC - 10 All Americans
All Non BCS Conferences - 10 all americans
Big East - 7 All Americans
ACC - 7 All Americans

[KY_Sasquash]

anybody know the records of the conferences for all the BCS games going back to its first year? which was maybe 1999 or 2000? that would be a good indicator or supremacy.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by KY_Sasquash

anybody know the records of the conferences for all the BCS games going back to its first year? which was maybe 1999 or 2000? that would be a good indicator or supremacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Conference W L Pct School Games
ACC 1 8 0.111
Big 12 5 7 0.417
Big East 5 4 0.555
Big Ten 8 7 0.533
MWC 1 0 1.000
Pac-10 7 4 0.637
SEC 9 4 0.692
WAC 1 0 1.000
Independent 0 3 0.000

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well if the SEC is so much the superior conference it is only natural to assume that the conference championships would be wildly in favor of the SEC. Of course maybe you are arguing that the weaker SEC teams are better than the weaker other conference teams....which you would be correct in assuming and by doing so make this a more irrelevant argument than I thought possible.

No its not.

No, Im arguing that as a whole, there is no conference better than the SEC. Its clear that the best team in the Nation, or the two best teams is anything but clear this year at this point. I would put Ohio State maybe.... and then, I just dont know at this point. An since we wont find out till a couple of eons from now, the teams will be very diff by the time the BCS championship dawdles around.

Thats all. All I asked for is to name a conference that is better than the SEC. No one did because in my extraordinarily humble and modest opinion, there is not one. If one where to argue the Big12, at this current time is better as a conf. than the SEC, I would argue the opposite with reasons for my opinion.

Oklahoma/LSU
Mizzou/GA
Kansas/TN
Texas/FL
Texas Tech/Ark
Texas A&M/Auburn

A noble attempt. (And I am serious, a very good attempt)
TT, Texas and Texas ATM are just not good teams. Kansas... the jury is out. Arkansas (maybe Auburn), the weakest of that SEC bunch has the ability to take out the best Big 12 team (Oklahoma or Missouri). Its not true the other way around with TT, Texas,Texas ATM (and possibly Kansas since I have difficulty guaging this team).

TT surprises teams just as Hawaii, because they play such a novel type of offense. If one gets a deep team on defense, with the ability to subsititute consistently, especially in the secondary, you kill these teams like these.

And my good man... no way Texas could play with Florida. Florida would score 100 pts against Texas. Bad matchup. Georgia... I think .... Texas would be suited to play Auburn. And possibly Georgia. But NONE of the others. We would never stop them. They would never punt.