Chris Antley

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, they really stuck it to him......he only won the Kentucky Derby four times, the Preakness five times and the Belmont Stakes four times. Not to mention his 17 BC wins.

Can you imagine what he would have done if the Gods weren't sticking it to him?

c'mon now btw. don't let facts get in the way of emotion.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

He didn't wear around a watch with a kentucky derby trophy on it. He wore around a watch with the 11 triple crown winners and the blank spot for the twelfth.

Winning the KD has been done by a ton of people, it is a nice thing. But only the triple crown winners are immortals.

Every top trainer in the business has one dream. To win the TC, not the derby.

You obviously don't know Lukas that well. Ask any former assistant and they will tell you the guy was/is obsessed with winning the TC.

I don't know him at all. I do, however, know that he has left an indelible mark of accomplishment in this game. For you to suggest that because he didn't have a TC winner he in some way failed is beyond absurd.

The man's accomplishments are simply incredible. He is certainly closer to being immortal than Billy Turner.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

You obviously have never worked in a barn. Every great barn has good exercise riders, not cute girls. If you want to nail cute exercise riders just go look in the mediocre barns and you can find plenty of them. It works out better when you don't work with them anyway.

I'm sorry.....being a good exercise rider is now mutually exclusive to being a cute girl?

That absurd opinion must work well for you.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

He belongs in the HOF simply because he earned it. It is impossible to say he doesn't have the credentials and he never did anything to hurt the sport. In fact if you bet on him you knew you got a competitive guy on your horse, maybe too competitive.

As for Lukas, if you read Three Strides Before the Wire, it makes Lukas look like an insensitive jerk, which in my opinion he is. He is from that Bobby Knight school. Phonies if you ask me.

Lukas is now getting cheap claimers from Whitney and winning at around a 10% clip. Him never winning the triple crown assured me the racing Gods were indeed just.

i heard he used a long whip on azeri in training.

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

You obviously have never worked in a barn.

I'm ashamed to say that I haven't.

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

Every great barn has good exercise riders, not cute girls.

So if a girl is cute then she's automatically not a good exercise rider? Hmm. Hey stop bogartin and puff puff pass.

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

If you want to nail cute exercise riders just go look in the mediocre barns and you can find plenty of them. It works out better when you don't work with them anyway.

What makes you think D. Wayne hasn't been in Chuck's barn? Hmm?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

Wouldn't surprise me. The guy is trash. Fills his barn with cute exercise riders that can't ride for crap. That is why he is basically a joke now in the business. Pletcher had a horse that earned more than the Lukas barn made all year.

"Pletcher had a horse that earned more than the Lukas barn made all year."

that's because he learned to train from a good teacher, unlike this scumbag.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The man's accomplishments are simply incredible.

I've seen more than enough of him to know his salesmanship skills greatly exceed his ability to get the best out of the stock he gets.

His accomplishments are incredible because they underline how many obscenely wealthy horse owners lack the ability to place their stock with the correct trainer.

[sumitas]

Lukas has often shocked the racing world with his big, unexpected wins. Most either love or hate the man because of his shocking wins. He shocked me in the Jim Dandy when Scorpion wired Free Of Love at the wire. I had FOL in a number of winning combinations only to be shocked by Scorpion. Lukas beat me again, this time for quite a few bucks, I thought leaving the track.

Click on this picture as Lukas was shocking Saratoga. Congaree hung on for 3rd saving tons of bridgejumpers.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/free+of+love
FOL is on the rail, Scorpion foreground.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

You obviously have never worked in a barn. Every great barn has good exercise riders, not cute girls. If you want to nail cute exercise riders just go look in the mediocre barns and you can find plenty of them. It works out better when you don't work with them anyway.

POINTGIVEN!!!!!!.......Happy Holiday's to you and your family the board has never been the same since you left for Pace......may your tree and stockings be thickly lined and overflowingly filled with mountains of chalk surpassed only by the future bountiful gifts of equine wisdom you bestow on us all.

[whodey17]

If you use drugs as a reason for why he shouldnt be in the hall of fame then Pat Day, PVal and several other riders shouldnt be in the hall of fame either. Antley was prob one of the best jocks I have ever seen when it comes to pure talent and deserves to be in the hall of fame.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've seen more than enough of him to know his salesmanship skills greatly exceed his ability to get the best out of the stock he gets.

His accomplishments are incredible because they underline how many obscenely wealthy horse owners lack the ability to place their stock with the correct trainer.

Drugs.....the most difficult part of evaluating a guy like DWayne and the rest of the big names is the lack of a stat or index that incorporates....

"Racing Productivity/Money Spent on Developing Talent"

Assuming that the vast majority of what the big training outfits work with is young horse flesh purchased by deep pockets who then take the raw product and ask a guy like DWayne, TP, Kiran etc to then develop these insanely expensive babies into champions if not successful stakes horses for eventual breeding themselves. A glorified ROI for $$ invested vs whats earned by the horse from the track and then the reproductive career. I am not aware of any but do you think there are trainers who do well from this angle of figuring an index or stat for what a trainer produces or money returned via earnings over several years (because I would imagine that a yearly index would be impossible to interpret since the on track earning potential isn't a one year stat as 2 year olds do not have the opportunities to earn that 3 and older have)......

And even if this data did make sense as an index for a trainer are you not better off using a trainer who does more with lesser numbers of horses or the comparasion between guys like Asmusen and say Nafzger. If your going to spend several hundred thousand on a yearling do you do better with the factory or big chain approach or the "mom and pop" smaller guy who may have trained 10 horses a year but they all get individual attention from the true name trainer.......yes I must consider decaff!!!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

As for Lukas, if you read Three Strides Before the Wire, it makes Lukas look like an insensitive jerk, which in my opinion he is. He is from that Bobby Knight school. Phonies if you ask me.

I wouldn't say he appeared insensitive, moreso, disappointed.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're known for posting ridiculous untruths here. Last I recall you were intimately involved with the dropping of a horse in NY.

youre referring to doc cheney, and well by now if you still dont believe he was a sore pup well then..........

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

youre referring to doc cheney, and well by now if you still dont believe he was a sore pup well then..........

You mean sore horses actually race sometimes? I would have thought an experienced backstretch denizen like yourself would have known that.

You knew nothing about Doc Cheney when you opened your trap here a couple months ago...and you know nothing about the horse now.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You mean sore horses actually race sometimes? I would have thought an experienced backstretch denizen like yourself would have known that.

You knew nothing about Doc Cheney when you opened your trap here a couple months ago...and you know nothing about the horse now.

LMFAO i know sore horses run EVERYDAY, not just sometimes and some crippled. i know nothing? hmmmmmmmmm lets see the info i had before was from somebody who was actually on the horses back before, and when i heard it it was from the earlier part of this year. hell he sure looks to be doin great now, it took them 2 months to run the horse back off the claim and for that particular horse it was a very horrible 3rd, horse was lucky to even hang on for third that day

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

LMFAO i know sore horses run EVERYDAY, not just sometimes and some crippled. i know nothing? hmmmmmmmmm lets see the info i had before was from somebody who was actually on the horses back before, and when i heard it it was from the earlier part of this year. hell he sure looks to be doin great now, it took them 2 months to run the horse back off the claim and for that particular horse it was a very horrible 3rd, horse was lucky to even hang on for third that day

Thanks for the info.....I'll be sure to pass it on to Nick later when he calls. And don't doubt he'll call.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know why, but I believe Playa here. He definitely gave a more thought out, cogent arguement.

well you didnt seem to believe me before hoss but i wouldnt just come on here making up what i heard and by now as the year progressed its pretty evident. believe me im not proud or happy about seeing any animal sore or less than a 100%. im sure somebody like chuck who actually trains and knows a helluva lot more bout the physical condition of the animals can elaborate further but basically any horse who runs hard is gonna have their little issues here and there but its blatantly obvious DC has and has had a little more than that, again most recently why would they wait 2 months off the claim 2 run him back??????? as far as zito goes as good as he is im sure he already knows, why would the horse had been in for the tag? sure even the top trainers(lol ah most prolly wont like this name but a good example) like asmussen let 1 slip through the cracks now and then like a filly he had named sis city (who got claimed for 50k i believe and went on to bank round 800k) but most of the time these guys arent giving anything away

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

well you didnt seem to believe me before hoss but i wouldnt just come on here making up what i heard and by now as the year progressed its pretty evident. believe me im not proud or happy about seeing any animal sore or less than a 100%. im sure somebody like chuck who actually trains and knows a helluva lot more bout the physical condition of the animals can elaborate further but basically any horse who runs hard is gonna have their little issues here and there but its blatantly obvious DC has and has had a little more than that, again most recently why would they wait 2 months off the claim 2 run him back??????? as far as zito goes as good as he is im sure he already knows, why would the horse had been in for the tag? sure even the top trainers(lol ah most prolly wont like this name but a good example) like asmussen let 1 slip through the cracks now and then like a filly he had named sis city (who got claimed for 50k i believe and went on to bank round 800k) but most of the time these guys arent giving anything away

You don't know one single thing about Doc Cheney that isn't printed in his pps. Nothing. You have absolutely no idea what the physical status of Doc Cheney is or ever was. He actually ran fine in his last race.

I see firsthand, unlike you, how hard Nick Zito's staff works and it is disgraceful that you would discredit any of them in order to further your agenda of fantasy.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You don't know one single thing about Doc Cheney that isn't printed in his pps. Nothing. You have absolutely no idea what the physical status of Doc Cheney is or ever was. He actually ran fine in his last race.

I see firsthand, unlike you, how hard Nick Zito's staff works and it is disgraceful that you would discredit any of them in order to further your agenda of fantasy.

LMFAO OMG you just dont get it do you? in no way was i knocking nick zito or the people working for him! you consider his last race fine? he was smashed and again was LUCKY to hang on for 3rd, coulda easily finished 5th or 6th, and well 2 back when they layed him in for 25 i suppose he ran great too that day finishing up the track@ even money huh? i seriosuly wonder how bad he came back after that race 2 be givin 2 months off off the claim(extra bute, banomine anyone?). again i wasnt knocking NZ, but you seriously just dont have a clue

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

LMFAO OMG you just dont get it do you? in no way was i knocking nick zito or the people working for him! you consider his last race fine? he was smashed and again was LUCKY to hang on for 3rd, coulda easily finished 5th or 6th, and well 2 back when they layed him in for 25 i suppose he ran great too that day finishing up the track@ even money huh? i seriosuly wonder how bad he came back after that race 2 be givin 2 months off off the claim(extra bute, banomine anyone?). again i wasnt knocking NZ, but you seriously just dont have a clue

I know exactly what you were doing....pretending you knew something that you not only didn't know but was patently false.

I get it perfectly....you're a desperate lying wannabee.