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Just giving you a hard time... the Gators were outplayed too. Don't feel lonely.
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![]() I know you are. On the other hand Pee Garden really thinks he knows something and wants to argue about Limestone, sand, synthetics, dirt, grass, and how he should be the head super at Santa Anita.
Kickback is kickback Pee garden, horses arent running through it and jockeys are wearing hockey visors now. What do you suggest they do? If you want I can get you a job at Murfield Village as an assistant if you have a degree in turf managment. A degree that you could have recieve at The Ohio State University |
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Because many of the synthetics have different type of artificial fibers that contain various amounts of wax that are supposed to stop the large particles from forming (and prevent really good draining of water) behave differently with diff. temp and moisture conditions I would not have a clue as it is a difficult problem. Throw in the diff types of sand and some organics... a mess. |
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![]() Pee Garden,
Thankyou for the Turf Management lesson. Let me know if you are certified to cut greens and I will get on the horn to my guy at MFV |
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Texas ATM had some great experiments going on at a golf course here with all these plots set up of diff types of hybird bermuda, etc... They were looking at which way the blades grow, how short they could be cut without damage, how much water they required, How well they came back from winter dormancy. ANd I sure thank you for trying to get me a job. Nice having upper level CEO's like yourself watching my back. I got one unfortunately that I like. |
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![]() Keep it in mind if your job ever falls out. I could help you with a push in to the turf management program at The Ohio State University as well. Im a good friend to have
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school teachers and Junior College teachers, even down here w/out Unions, is damn near impossible. Which is sad. But to repay your generous offer, I betcha I could teach you Physics. If you ever catch yourself thinking about putting satellites into orbit, I can explain it free and online. Heck maybe Steve could make a section whereby we could all talk Physics without learning to hate it. |
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can you get me in the door? ![]() |
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![]() Yeah Kev if you were serious
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get on Yahoo tonight...after 8 |
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Santa Anita is obviously a different story. There are small rocks in the surface and from what I've heard when you get the kickback there, it feels like you are in a sand storm. So the kickback at Santa Anita is definitely a problem right now. You won't get any argument from me about the track at Santa Anita. I think the track is horrible there right now. Even if the track drained perfectly, I would still say it's horrible. The track is way too hard. It's hard underneath and it's loose on top. You can't have a worse combination than that. |
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![]() Now that management has realized that it would take about a month to put in a new dirt track, rather than a week like they originally thought, now it looks very unlikely that they will be putting in a dirt track right now. I don't know what they will do when the meet ends. But for right now, it doesn't look like they're going to do anything. They have been encouraged with the initial testing they have been doing with that liquid that they guy from Australia has brought over.
I don't think that this liquid will even come close to solving their problems, but I think that they are going to put their hopes on this stuff because they don't want to have to close the track for a month. |
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![]() Rupe, I disagree with you.
The kickback on the dirt is nowhere near as bad as the kickback the horses face on synthetic, especially when its cold out. Watch a race at TWP in the evenings when the horses cock their heads and refuse to run through the kickback. Keeneland they go 10 wide to stay out of the kickback, and SA they were hockey visors. I would say the kickback is not only worse with the synthetic, its not even close. |
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![]() jockey comments on synthetics from the recent Bloodhorse article.
Robbie Albarado "If I can go around there every day with one pair of goggles and one pair of pants and not have sand hit me at 35 mile per hour, yeah, I will take that every day" Garrett Gomez " The polytrack doesn't have a lot of kickback, which is good for the horses." Patrick Husbands "The polytrack to me is the best thing to happen to racing. It is easy on the horses and a more patient racetrack." Rene Douglas "What I like about it is that you don't have to get that dirt in your face. Its easier for a horse to ride through and easier to control your horse. I would 100% prefer synthetic surfaces" |
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I totally agree with Rup about dirt clod kickback, especially on the track I frequent. If the moisture level is right, clods are produced and those hurt like hell. Any jock will tell you that at this dirt track. They do their best to reduce the size of the clods on grooming after each race, but then the horse impacts the mixture and this again compacts the dirt/sand mixture into clods DURING the race. But of course I think very little about this stuff and know absolutely nothing. I am only a golf course expert... didnt know that, but what the hell. |
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![]() Let me tell you something, ArlJim. Those quotes are spot on and should put an end to this ridiculous witch hunt the big people are on. Little people should be in charge of horse racing.
I call for a vote right now to make Gary Stevens Ruler of Horse Racing. All those in favor? |
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By the way, if you have a horse that has only run on synthetic surfaces and he is about to run on dirt for the first time, it would be a big concern how he will handle getting hit in the face with real dirt. It stings quite a bit. If it was the other way around and you had a horse that had been running on regualr dirt who was running on a synthetic track for the first time, you would not have to worry about that issue. |
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I wish to be ruler. Napoleon... of the single toenailed animals. Goats have two toenails so I can avoid them. |
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There is definitely a problem at Santa Anita. There is no doubt about that. The only point that ArlJim and myself are trying to make is that in general there is much less of an issue with kickback on synthetic tracks as compared to regular dirt. One issue that could be a concern with synthetic tracks is the long term health risks of swallowing rubber and synthetic fibers. The chances are that most come-from-behind horses are going to swallow some dirt whether they are on a synthetic track or a natural track. I can't tell you what the long-term health consequences are of swallowing rubber and synthetic fibers but it seems like it certainly could not be good. |
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