Nice tactics by Indian Blessing's camp

[sumitas]

I recall Beautiful Pleasure. Chavez aboard would let her open up like a rank 2 year old. The Go For Wand ( I think that race only had 4 runners), BP must have had a 30 length lead only to be collared by Heritage of Gold.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's pretty funny.

If Indian Blessing rates in hand - instead of being strangled - she'd have gone faster - BUT, so would Proud Spell...the rider would have to use her to keep her in a stalking position.

There is no way Indian Blessing would have a 5 length lead in that race unless she was put to a drive....using her speed takes PS out of her dream trip and forces her to chace and finish.

I know you defended Gomez's strangling rides on Hard Spun in the Belmont and his ride on Dream Rush that day to a lesser extent - who won back to back Grade 1's for Coa in her next two.

Yeah on Dream Rush everybdy was crying about how he went too fast, pretty much the same strategy everyone wants him to do here. I have no love or hate for Gomez. He has rode one horse for me that I can remember, won a stake at Churchill on a horse that was a runoff just like IB.

What makes you think that PS couldnt chase and outfinish IB? IB ran the 3/4's a second faster than the LA Derby which means that PS was roughly 3/5 or 4/5 faster and still ran her down easily.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

dont re think anything you are correct and so am i.

gomez strangles to many horses, hard spun in the belmont is classic example... look what he went on to do after the belmont... being by danzig if gomez sends him i dont think curlin or the filly rags to riches would have cought him.

Upon further review - I now agree with the tactics used by Indian Blessing's camp today.

If anything - they didn't rate her hard enough.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah on Dream Rush everybdy was crying about how he went too fast, pretty much the same strategy everyone wants him to do here. I have no love or hate for Gomez. He has rode one horse for me that I can remember, won a stake at Churchill on a horse that was a runoff just like IB.

What makes you think that PS couldnt chase and outfinish IB? IB ran the 3/4's a second faster than the LA Derby which means that PS was roughly 3/5 or 4/5 faster and still ran her down easily.

chuckles... i have a question for you. please answer.

how good do you think proud spell can be ? can she win the oaks ? maybe face the boys ? how good can she be in your opinion ?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Upon further review - I now agree with the tactics used by Indian Blessing's camp today.

If anything - they didn't rate her hard enough.

you dont mean that

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

dont re think anything you are correct and so am i.

gomez strangles to many horses, hard spun in the belmont is classic example... look what he went on to do after the belmont... being by danzig if gomez sends him i dont think curlin or the filly rags to riches would have cought him.

Maybe if CC Lopez had ridden him he would have won? Being by Danzig, exacly how many 1 1/4 races did Hard Spun win let alone 1 1/2 races?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe if CC Lopez had ridden him he would have won? Being by Danzig, exacly how many 1 1/4 races did Hard Spun win let alone 1 1/2 races?

please answer the question i asked you.

[King Glorious]

Funniest thing that hasn't been mentioned is that IB still ran as fast as Pyro.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

chuckles... i have a question for you. please answer.

how good do you think proud spell can be ? can she win the oaks ? maybe face the boys ? how good can she be in your opinion ?

She is a very good filly with tactical speed. She may be the second best filly in the counrty and in her own barn also. There are a lot of tough fillies icluding Pure Clan and the other Jones filly plus Frankels filly by Empire Maker if she ever runs

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

please answer the question i asked you.

Yes Sir!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She is a very good filly with tactical speed. She may be the second best filly in the counrty and in her own barn also. There are a lot of tough fillies icluding Pure Clan and the other Jones filly plus Frankels filly by Empire Maker if she ever runs

ok thank you...
who is the other jones filly ? the one who won a allowance by 15 ?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ok thank you...
who is the other jones filly ? is she the unbridled filly ?

I cant remember her name but she is the female version of Big Brown except in stakes

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I cant remember her name but she is the female version of Big Brown except in stakes

Eight Belles is the name. I believe that's it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What makes you think that PS couldnt chase and outfinish IB? IB ran the 3/4's a second faster than the LA Derby which means that PS was roughly 3/5 or 4/5 faster and still ran her down easily.

The La Derby was a slow paced race - albeit not as much of a crawl as Pyro's return race was.

In the days last race, A Larry Jones maiden stalked a 47.60 half (0.57 seconds faster split than Indian Blessing's half) and won.

PS was rating very kindly from a stalking position with a target. It's not so much that Gomez fighting so hard with Indian Blessing hurt her - as it is that it helped Proud Spell.

When Proud Spell shows me that she can chace early, and still finish like that, and run open lengths faster than Pyro in the process, at that point I will believe it.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Eight Belles is the name. I believe that's it.

ok i got it....

personally i think the best 3 yr old filly in america is mushka... but she is another one who wont be running for a long time

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ok i got it....

personally i think the best 3 yr old filly in america is mushka... but she is another one who wont be running for a long time

Well I believe the best older horse in America is Hacker Craft but no one believes me.

[jcs11204]

whatever you say chuckles. do you mind if i call you that ?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well I believe the best older horse in America is Hacker Craft but no one believes me.

i subsitute your reality for my own........hacker has done enough ..hank needs to step up his game........

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ok i got it....

personally i think the best 3 yr old filly in america is mushka... but she is another one who wont be running for a long time

Yes, she made her reputation by winning a race where she was the only closer in a 9 furlong 2yo race where five speedy rivals were all sent for the lead and the fractions were very fast setting her late run up to make her look much better than she really is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i subsitute your reality for my own........hacker has done enough ..hank needs to step up his game........

Hank is gearing up for a big summer