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Old 05-08-2008, 06:08 PM
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These things aren't worth playing unless you have a huge bankroll IMO. . . Harder than a PK6. . .
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:23 PM
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These things aren't worth playing unless you have a huge bankroll IMO. . . Harder than a PK6. . .
i disagree...6 of us put in 60 apiece and put together a real nice ticket...

abc/abc/abcdefg/abcdefg/abcdefg...only missed the 11 horse in the 4th leg...

best part is it is impossible for 6 people to agree on a pick 6, but putting 7 horses from 1 race on 1 ticket is doable
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:45 AM
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this didn't settle that question?
Actually No. What confuses me is that you keep posting a bet structure that I didn't make. You post 1 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 5 when the bet was 1 x 4 x 6 x 8 x 8. Help me out here, did you mean to post 1 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 5 ? If so why ?
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:03 AM
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i disagree...6 of us put in 60 apiece and put together a real nice ticket...

abc/abc/abcdefg/abcdefg/abcdefg...only missed the 11 horse in the 4th leg...

best part is it is impossible for 6 people to agree on a pick 6, but putting 7 horses from 1 race on 1 ticket is doable
That's a great point. May be the ultimate 'table bet'.
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:19 AM
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Actually No. What confuses me is that you keep posting a bet structure that I didn't make. You post 1 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 5 when the bet was 1 x 4 x 6 x 8 x 8. Help me out here, did you mean to post 1 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 5 ? If so why ?
when you have the same horses in different positions on a vertical bet like an exacta, trifecta, etc., you calculate the individual bets made by multiplying the distinct runners in each place on the bet.

an easy example was the one i posted earlier about the cost of a 3 horse trifecta box.

assuming a $1 betting unit, the cost of that box is $6 arrived at by multiplying 3 distinct betting interests in the win position times 2 distinct betting interests in the place position and a single distinct betting interest in the show position. 3 x 2 x 1 = 6. if one of your horses finished first, he can't finish 2nd or 3rd so you only have 2 distinct interest in the place position. and so on.

your $600 super 5 was 600 $1 bets. the calculator you're using is figuring this out by multiplying the distinct starters you have in each "leg" of that bet. you know that 4 x 6 is 24. and 24 x 8 is 192. and 192 x 8 is 1536. so why isn't your ticket $1536? (1 x 4 x 6 x 8 x 8)

because you don't have 6 distinct starters in the place position. or 8 distinct starters in 4th. or 8 distinct starters in 5th.

you had 1 horse in the win, 4 in the place, 5 in show (because you used the same 4 horses you had in the place position here and one of them would be subtracted since they can't finish both 2nd and 3rd), 6 in 4th place, and 5 in 5th place for the same reason.

4 x 5 = 20. 20 x 6= 120. 120 x 5 = 600. 1 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 5.

just keep using the calculator. it works for you. the only reason i even brought up the calculation was because i made a mistake going over your ticket originally.
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:51 AM
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i disagree...6 of us put in 60 apiece and put together a real nice ticket...

abc/abc/abcdefg/abcdefg/abcdefg...only missed the 11 horse in the 4th leg...

best part is it is impossible for 6 people to agree on a pick 6, but putting 7 horses from 1 race on 1 ticket is doable
The problem is that virtually every horse in a race can get 5th . . . but usually only a few can win. . .

It may be an easier bet for people to bet together. . . I only bet with one other person at the most so I don't really have an opinion on that. . .
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:55 AM
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Some relatively close tickets.

It's a very tough bet to have a true value edge on. More of a lottery or fun bet.
With this race the 4 was kind of a key horse. He was either going to be 1st or 2nd or if he had major problems, his career was basically finished and would be headed for lesser tracks and even cheaper purses. There was the hint that a higher% trainer could get him right again.

Hindsight - probably should have used the 4 1st and 2nd in all of the tickets. The Tampa shipper burned me as well running 4th. He was pretty consistent in his last 10 races. I also included the 12 in my group and he was a bit cheap.
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