Big Brown will not race after this year - Page 3

Cannon Shell · #41 05-15-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

That's my point. If that's what they're thinking, what does it say about their perspective on his chances in the Preakness and/or Belmont?

Nothing i think because the top of the market is the top of the market. If he is already there he can only go down and why risk that?

Cannon Shell · #42 05-15-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Have a heart... Nobody has respect for success more then I but I have no use for cheats.. I have my share of vices cheating isn't one I ever thought was acceptable.

He is a very nice horse that could serve our sport well.. I just wish the silks were Claiborne and he was going home to be managed in a reasonable and responsible way after his limited 4 year old career.

Clearly terms like in the sports best interest and a well managed prudent stud career arent important to the chop house that is IEAH.. I assume whomever has the most dough on the table can get the horse to do whatever they need to do to recoup the investment. Horse people used to respect the industry that they made there money from. Nowadays its only important to earn once you have struck oil.

There are some who feel that claiborne is like Joe Gibbs, used to be great, now living on past glory.

parsixfarms · #43 05-15-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nothing i think because the top of the market is the top of the market. If he is already there he can only go down and why risk that?

Do you think he's at the "top of the market" now? Stated another way, is he worth as much now as he would be if he won the Triple Crown? If the answer to the last question is "yes," then I agree that doing the deal now makes sense.

Cannon Shell · #44 05-15-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Do you think he's at the "top of the market" now? Stated another way, is he worth as much now as he would be if he won the Triple Crown? If the answer to the last question is "yes," then I agree that doing the deal now makes sense.

The numbers that get tossed around now are so high that it is hard to believe that the market can sustain them especially with stud fees overall in decline. I guess he may be worth more if he wins the TC but if it is 20% more is it worth the risk of being 50% less if he gets drummed or breaksdown? Obviously those are just figures that i tossed out but if Darley isnt in the bidding then the top of the market for him may have already be reached. If he were to win the TC and retire undefeated I dont see him being book full at $200k a pop. It is hard to believe that he could be higher than 100k regardless of what he does so there is a ceiling.

CSC · #45 05-15-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not as tho curlin can cover every mare out there. big brown will get his share...
also depends on what you're looking for out of a horse, and what you've got as far as mare, as to who you'd use for a stud.

True, however I'd rather have the Mr. Prospector/Smart Strike(Sib to Dance Smartly) bloodline, to me it's a hot pedigree that has alot of depth to it. To me it's a no brainer if I had a band of broodmares who I would like to cover.

CSC · #46 05-15-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I'm the first to say I don't know much about the breeding business, but it seems like a lot of it depends on irrational exuberance for the hot new thing- if they run Big Brown at 4, and he doesn't do well, they won't be able to charge as high a stud fee as if they retire him this year, while he's still the most recent KDerby winner. Add to that, most stallions fail at stud, so it's important they make as much money as they can as soon as they can, so if he's a stud dud they'll still have made their $$.

Like someone said, it's a breeding business, with a few races tossed in on the side.

He'll probably end up in Japan if he fails here, his sire Boundary if I am correct has only had lukewarm success as a stud making him a risky proposition if you ask me. If he wins the triple then I couldn't really blame his owners for wanting to cash in, it's easy to sit here and blast owners for not wanting to race their horses but we don't have million dollar investments that at any freak moment something can go wrong with them, if I were a breeder I would tend to be on the cautious side with this one. The thought of the late St. Liam throwing out a few would have scared me also.

SentToStud · #47 05-15-2008, 05:38 PM

http://drf.com/news/article/94600.html

Just ran out of time?

Or those IEAH boys get skooled?

Kasept · #48 05-15-2008, 05:46 PM

Insert "an offer they can't refuse" joke here...

Strategic Mission · #49 05-15-2008, 05:56 PM

I always wondered if Larry Roman gave them their money back on his own or if he was paid a visit in the middle of the night by IEAH goons.

Danzig · #50 05-15-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

True, however I'd rather have the Mr. Prospector/Smart Strike(Sib to Dance Smartly) bloodline, to me it's a hot pedigree that has alot of depth to it. To me it's a no brainer if I had a band of broodmares who I would like to cover.

oh, i'd go to just about any 100k stud over big brown. boundary doesn't warrant that kind of attention.
interesting the deal fell thru that was expected to be announced today. i think ieah is asking more than the horse is really worth at this point. i mean, giacomo won the derby, it didn't turn him into a 100k horse. as said, big brown is a boundary-big deal.

hockey2315 · #51 05-15-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, i'd go to just about any 100k stud over big brown. boundary doesn't warrant that kind of attention.
interesting the deal fell thru that was expected to be announced today. i think ieah is asking more than the horse is really worth at this point. i mean, giacomo won the derby, it didn't turn him into a 100k horse. as said, big brown is a boundary-big deal.

ateamstupid · #52 05-15-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, i'd go to just about any 100k stud over big brown. boundary doesn't warrant that kind of attention.
interesting the deal fell thru that was expected to be announced today. i think ieah is asking more than the horse is really worth at this point. i mean, giacomo won the derby, it didn't turn him into a 100k horse. as said, big brown is a boundary-big deal.

Flawless comparison.

Danzig · #53 05-16-2008, 07:22 AM

what i mean is that just because a horse wins the derby, he doesn't suddenly become a 100k stud fee, $50 million horse. ieah is trying to get that kind of money-street sense didn't (none of the retired three year olds last year got that), giacomo didn't-so why would a horse by boundary be worth that much?