Colonel John

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i did start this thread, only because i read that colonel john was coming to saratoga soon.... i think he can be a major player in the division and even in the classic because of the surface its being run on, COLONEL JOHN has raced very well over 3 different types of synthetics. a near miss in his first career start, cruise control twice at hollywood, santa anita derby... he has like all synthetics... so when you think breeders cup, i know i have to give him a shot

Here is my question.
What do you think of colts like Victory Pete, El Gato Malo, Bob Black Jack etc?
Col. John's races this spring were okay, and his Santa Anita Derby performance was pretty nice. But who was he really running by in that race?
He certainly might turn out to be a very nice horse, but at this point he hasn't really beaten anybody that I think is even remotely good.

[texarkana]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Here is my question.
What do you think of colts like Victory Pete, El Gato Malo, Bob Black Jack etc?
Col. John's races this spring were okay, and his Santa Anita Derby performance was pretty nice. But who was he really running by in that race?
He certainly might turn out to be a very nice horse, but at this point he hasn't really beaten anybody that I think is even remotely good.

FWIW, I think El Gato Malo was proving to be as any three year old running on the east coast. It's a darn shame he got hurt.

And there's no denying Bob Black Jack can sprint.

You can throw the, "Well, who'd he really beat?" line at nearly the entire three year old class this year.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by texarkana

FWIW, I think El Gato Malo was proving to be as any three year old running on the east coast. It's a darn shame he got hurt.

And there's no denying Bob Black Jack can sprint.

You can throw the, "Well, who'd he really beat?" line at nearly the entire three year old class this year.

How?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Tough Tiz's Sis, Bear Now, Well Armed, and Colonel John all come to mind as Tiznow's biggest names (in addition to Da'Tara) and they are all stakes winners- on synthetics.

NT

Folklore, Tiznow's first crop champion 2yo daughter, won the Matron S (Belmont), Adirondack (Saratoga), and BC Juvie fillies (Belmont again, I think). Bear Now won the Cotillion H (G2) at Philly as well as her stakes wins at Woodbine. Tiz Wonderful won the Kentucky Jockey Club S (G2) and Iroquois S (G3) at Churchill Downs. Try looking at the full record. Branding Tiznow as a sire whose get can only perform at top levels on AW and therefore Colonel John cannot run well on dirt courses is a distortion of the data.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Anyone else think this is Sumitas?

Yes, the same new poster appeared in another thread and then Golden Missile's voyeur suddenly appeared later in the thread. Nice work Hoss.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Folklore, Tiznow's first crop champion 2yo daughter, won the Matron S (Belmont), Adirondack (Saratoga), and BC Juvie fillies (Belmont again, I think). Bear Now won the Cotillion H (G2) at Philly as well as her stakes wins at Woodbine. Tiz Wonderful won the Kentucky Jockey Club S (G2) and Iroquois S (G3) at Churchill Downs. Try looking at the full record. Branding Tiznow as a sire whose get can only perform at top levels on AW and therefore Colonel John cannot run well on dirt courses is a distortion of the data.

You really cherry-picked there and completely ignored the fact that I never said Colonel John couldn't win on dirt, only that Tiznow's progeny does better on synthetics than dirt.

What I attempted to refute was your ridiculous assertion that Tizdejavu winning two turf races means Tiznow is a great turf sire.

NT

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You really cherry-picked there and completely ignored the fact that I never said Colonel John couldn't win on dirt, only that Tiznow's progeny does better on synthetics than dirt.

What I attempted to refute was your ridiculous assertion that Tizdejavu winning two turf races means Tiznow is a great turf sire.

NT

he gets winners on the turf, im sure tizdejavu is not the only one.

[freddymo]

Tiznow is a very solid sire..His early success on all surfaces and distances make him a very logical choice for almost any type broody..Plus because his pedigree is so foriegn to the rest of community he really has to be seen as a godsend to breeders. I really don't believe the broody's he saw early in his career were nearly as accomplished as the ones that he will be bred to in the coming years.. With that said I look for him to be a leader in the shed for a long time.

As for his horses success on poly who knows its to soon to say if he will continue to excell on the fake stuff.. i think there is enough evidence to support that Tiznow offspring can and will be Graded winners on all surfaces, age groups, and both sexes. The sky really is the limit for Tiznow..