Two Bozos in one week! Helms dead..

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I think the perpetually bizarre all be moved to the San Antonio Bat Cave.

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Having landed in this thread....Venusians signal back to the mother ship....there is no life on Earth.


Frogs...yes.

Humans...no.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

1. Why would you say he was not patriotic? By the way, I am not an expert on Helms. I don't know that much about him. I can't say for sure that he wasn't a racist.

But in general, I am always hearing people accuse conservatives of being racists and most of the time the accusations are completely unfounded. Just because a person is against affirmative action, etc., that doesn't make them a racist. In fact, you could argue the exact opposite.

If Helms was such a racist, why did he have a black press secretary?

1. Because his voting record and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo.

And he said exactly what he felt. He did not attempt
to persuade or dissuade. He was asked numerous times on the record
after making some very intolerant statements if he wished to retract.
He wanted no retractions.

He was a senator for a very long time and the record is there for
anyone to see. I agree that racist is very over used. I have not used it.
I would say he shows a great deal of intolerance towards segments of
this Nation in a way exactly opposite of what I believe this country's
central tenets are.

And I dont think the conservative philosophy automatically implies racism
just like I dont think a liberal philosophy implies a mindless tendency to
spend money to relieve some false sense of guilt.

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Dr. Whitherfork..I mean spoon...ought to have a look at this.

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I have reread Phil's last statement.





I feel he has conflict buzzing around in his noodle.

It's deep...rooted in Ethel's propensity to keep straightening out wrinkled rugs.

I think he has a problem churning out in words what his mind wants him to say.


Is he a sissy?


Perhaps.


Does he watch too much tv sports?


Does a bee gather pollen?

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The thread lacks words of whizzdom from BentMahPud.



It can never truly be a 5 starer until he projectile vomits here.

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2hot4FayeBotoxAway could be an acceptable stand in.

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Why would you say he was not patriotic? By the way, I am not an expert on Helms. I don't know that much about him. I can't say for sure that he wasn't a racist.

But in general, I am always hearing people accuse conservatives of being racists and most of the time the accusations are completely unfounded. Just because a person is against affirmative action, etc., that doesn't make them a racist. In fact, you could argue the exact opposite.

If Helms was such a racist, why did he have a black press secretary?

become an expert:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1871

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OH MY GOD!!



NEGROES ....working BESIDE ME!!!?









THUD!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You don't know much about him, obviously, yet you have such a strong opinion huh? Did KYRIM steal your log in?

Do you know any more about him than I do? I've read plenty of the articles about him. I'm not an expert on him.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

become an expert:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1871

That article is one man's opinion. Does that particular publication have more credibility than newspapers like the Washington Post? If someone wanted a fair and unbiased opinion about Helms, would they be better of getting it from that publication or from a paper like the Washington Post?

By the way, I hardly agree with Helms on every topic and I hardly agree with many of the things that he said over the years. But overall, I wouldn't bash the guy or his career.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Do you know any more about him than I do? I've read plenty of the articles about him. I'm not an expert on him.

Popkins...you're sounding like Phil,now.




You either know what you're talking about or you're GenuineCrazyLady.....I mean or you don't.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Don't recall you ever saying you lived in NC. I, however, did.. Like most of the current neo con phonies, Helms masterfully traded on fear to stay elected, a prequel to the playbook for the current scum in office. He eagerly blocked progressive measures in the Senate for years. Evil? Yeah, I'm funny that way. I tend to find those that go out of their way to inhibit the quality of life of others, evil.

It is not uncommon for politicians to play on people's fears to get elected or to stay in office.

Are you consistent with your criticisms of campaigns playing on people's fears? For example, if a Republican does an anti-affirmative action commercial to tell people that minorities are taking their jobs, is that any worse than a liberal candidate telling women that they may lose their right to chose(abortion) if the Republican candidate wins?

These types of campaigns are dirty, but they are common in politics. Both parties are guilty of playing on people's fears.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Popkins...you're sounding like Phil,now.




You either know what you're talking about or you're GenuineCrazyLady.....I mean or you don't.

Most of the people on this board are hardly experts on the things they post about it. They usually have some knowledge about the subject. Maybe they've read a few articles on the subject.

If you want to beging a new standard here where people can only have an opinion if they are an absolute expert, I don't think there would be any more posts.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1. Because his voting record and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo.

And he said exactly what he felt. He did not attempt
to persuade or dissuade. He was asked numerous times on the record
after making some very intolerant statements if he wished to retract.
He wanted no retractions.

He was a senator for a very long time and the record is there for
anyone to see. I agree that racist is very over used. I have not used it.
I would say he shows a great deal of intolerance towards segments of
this Nation in a way exactly opposite of what I believe this country's
central tenets are.

And I dont think the conservative philosophy automatically implies racism
just like I dont think a liberal philosophy implies a mindless tendency to
spend money to relieve some false sense of guilt.

Be specific. Which votes did he make which indicate intolerance towards democracy? Is his voting record much different from other conservatives? If not, do you consider most conservatives intolerant toward democracy?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That article is one man's opinion. Does that particular publication have more credibility than newspapers like the Washington Post? If someone wanted a fair and unbiased opinion about Helms, would they be better of getting it from that publication or from a paper like the Washington Post?

By the way, I hardly agree with Helms on every topic and I hardly agree with many of the things that he said over the years. But overall, I wouldn't bash the guy or his career.

david broder in the washington post:

http://www.racematters.org/jessehelmswhiteracist.htm

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That article is one man's opinion. Does that particular publication have more credibility than newspapers like the Washington Post? If someone wanted a fair and unbiased opinion about Helms, would they be better of getting it from that publication or from a paper like the Washington Post?

By the way, I hardly agree with Helms on every topic and I hardly agree with many of the things that he said over the years. But overall, I wouldn't bash the guy or his career.

it's an editorial but contains factual information. unless you're disputing the facts, it's a bit disingenuous to dismiss it as "one man's opinion".

his opinion was based on the facts presented. was there something wrong with those facts?

[Rupert Pupkin]

For the record, I am sure that there are many quotes from Helms that I would strongly disagree with and that I could not defend. But I'm not going to judge the guy's whole life and career off a few stupid comments.

Most politicians born in the South during that era grew up having some pretty backward views.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's an editorial but contains factual information. unless you're disputing the facts, it's a bit disingenuous to dismiss it as "one man's opinion".

his opinion was based on the facts presented. was there something wrong with those facts?

I'm not saying that all the information in those articles is false. I am saying that it is one-sided and biased.

If you were watching a trial, could you come to a fair verdict if you only listened to the prosecution case and not the defense? No, of course not. That is not necessarily because the prosecution's case contains lies. It is because the prosecution's case may have many half-truths and the prosecution is going to only try to present evidence that will help their case.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Most of the people on this board are hardly experts on the things they post about it. They usually have some knowledge about the subject. Maybe they've read a few articles on the subject.

If you want to beging a new standard here where people can only have an opinion if they are an absolute expert, I don't think there would be any more posts.

Oh.

So you've been reading Stevie Hasbeen?






The primary thing here being-----whether there is expert commentary or not---there will always be copious back and forth on yer whatnot regardless of what yer whatnot is.

I love it when it reaches the name calling stage...and questioning an opponents family tree.Before you know it;the whole thing becomes a series of uninspiring death threats and failed to do so.....bett-ing.


But the whole mess can quickly come apart if GenuineCrazyLady voices her outrageous opinions.....and directs little catty barbs Dannies way.