Top 5 BC performances ever - Page 3

Cannon Shell · #41 10-10-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Princess Rooney went one full second faster than Wild Again at the same distance on the same days as the Breeders Cup Classic - and both PR and WA went an identical 1:37 flat to the mile call.

I realize WA deserves some extra credit for the fast and pressured pace - but that simply can't be rated a top five all-time BC performance.

I don't agree about PE's Distaff - it was certainly one of the best moments in BC history - but the individual performance itself is no way top 5 material.

Define performance please

The Indomitable DrugS · #42 10-11-2008, 12:28 AM

There is no way Wild Again's Classic performance rates with the races turned in by a Ghostzapper, Sunday Silence, Skip Away and almost every other BC Classic winner.

Personal Ensign's BC Distaff race was clear-cut below Inside Information and Princess Rooney's races. She - like Wild Again -won a desperate 3 way photo.

The Indomitable DrugS · #43 10-11-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Only if you are basing it on speed figures. First, the 1-2 fillies (Tempera and Imperial Gesture) were pretty good horses in their own right. Second, Johannesburg beat a very deep field that year (Siphonic, Came Home, Officer, Repent, Publication, etc.). Third, it was the cap to a brilliant globe-trotting, and unbeaten juvenile campaign.

Publication!?

Imperial Gesutre was like 50/1 in that Juv Fillies - what might have been the deepest Juv Fillies race ever - and she ran fast enough to win the Juvenile.

Macho Uno's Juvenile win over Point Given and Street Cry would rate far above Johannesburg.

PPerfectfan · #44 10-11-2008, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm not sure of my list but I'm pretty sure Medaglia d'Oro in the 2003 Classic will be on that list. I know it was a loss but it was a winning effort and one of the best I've seen considering the circumstances.

Booo Hissss!!!! Best effort? How bout he got his butt spanked by "the big guy",

and then got it spanked agian in the DWC

??? Man, oh Man-della of a day!!!!! The stretch call for his BC win is my ringtone for my cell,,,,how sick am I?

RolloTomasi · #45 10-11-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Personal Ensign's BC Distaff race was clear-cut below Inside Information and Princess Rooney's races. She - like Wild Again -won a desperate 3 way photo.

You do realize that those desperate 3-way photos involved, in the case of Personal Ensign--Winning Colors (Kentucky Derby, SA Derby, SA Oaks, etc) and Goodbye Halo (Kentucky Oaks, Mother Goose, etc)...and in the case of Wild Again---Slew O Gold (Marlboro Cup, Woodward, JCGC, etc) and Gate Dancer (Preakness, Super Derby both in track record fashion)?

I guess you like those blow out wins over Whiskey Whisdom, Dowty, and washed up horses like Lakeway and Heavenly Prize.

KirisClown · #46 10-11-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You do realize that those desperate 3-way photos involved, in the case of Personal Ensign--Winning Colors (Kentucky Derby, SA Derby, SA Oaks, etc) and Goodbye Halo (Kentucky Oaks, Mother Goose, etc)...and in the case of Wild Again---Slew O Gold (Marlboro Cup, Woodward, JCGC, etc) and Gate Dancer (Preakness, Super Derby both in track record fashion)?

I guess you like those blow out wins over Whiskey Whisdom, Dowty, and washed up horses like Lakeway and Heavenly Prize.

Heavenly Prize was washed up?

miraja2 · #47 10-11-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Only if you are basing it on speed figures. First, the 1-2 fillies (Tempera and Imperial Gesture) were pretty good horses in their own right. Second, Johannesburg beat a very deep field that year (Siphonic, Came Home, Officer, Repent, Publication, etc.). Third, it was the cap to a brilliant globe-trotting, and unbeaten juvenile campaign.

I would put Favorite Trick's juvy performance over Johannesburg's, with both of them well behind Arazi.

CSC · #48 10-11-2008, 09:41 AM

Tough to name just 5, in no particular order

1. Go For Wand 90
2. Ouija Board 06
3. Lit De Justice 96
4. Arazi 91
5. Awesome Again 98

RolloTomasi · #49 10-11-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

Heavenly Prize was washed up?

I guess that wasn't the right wording. I didn't think Heavenly Prize was all that great to begin with.

I realize she browbeat Forcing Bid a couple of times at Belmont as a 4yo, but given the fact that the 3yo Serena's Song staved her off in the Beldame right before the BC, you could argue she was at least tailing off (or simply got exposed).

RolloTomasi · #50 10-11-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I would put Favorite Trick's juvy performance over Johannesburg's, with both of them well behind Arazi.

Fair enough, although the field for the '97 Juvenile left a lot to be desired once Grand Slam got sliced up in the first turn.

KirisClown · #51 10-11-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I guess that wasn't the right wording. I didn't think Heavenly Prize was all that great to begin with.

I realize she browbeat Forcing Bid a couple of times at Belmont as a 4yo, but given the fact that the 3yo Serena's Song staved her off in the Beldame right before the BC, you could argue she was at least tailing off (or simply got exposed).

I think she was one of the better fillies of the 90s.. Serena's Song stole the Beldame with a very easy uncontested lead... 48 for the half, Day waiting forever to ask her did not help either...

The worst thing to ever happen to Heavenly Prize was Pat Day...

She's better than you give her credit for...

RolloTomasi · #52 10-11-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

I think she was one of the better fillies of the 90s.. Serena's Song stole the Beldame with a very easy uncontested lead... 48 for the half, Day waiting forever to ask her did not help either...

The worst thing to ever happen to Heavenly Prize was Pat Day...

She's better than you give her credit for...

Maybe. But she's more remembered for races she lost than races she won. In fact, in her principle win, the Alabama over Lakeway, she was 5-1 and considered something of a disappoint up until that point. Her subsequent victories were essentially gimme's outside the Apple Blossom, where she basically saved face by getting revenge on the OK Halo America (who lit her up in the prep race).

KirisClown · #53 10-11-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Maybe. But she's more remembered for races she lost than races she won. In fact, in her principle win, the Alabama over Lakeway, she was 5-1 and considered something of a disappoint up until that point. Her subsequent victories were essentially gimme's outside the Apple Blossom, where she basically saved face by getting revenge on the OK Halo America (who lit her up in the prep race).

True, she was considered disappointing up to that, but I attribute that to Shug's handling.. prior to the Alabama he had her sprinting all year..

As far as Halo America, you're dealing with a horse that loved Oaklawn and would later in her career go on to win the Apple Blossom.. Either she was a pretty decent horse in her own right or Heavenly Prize had a phobia with passing gray front runners...

Indian Charlie · #54 10-11-2008, 06:49 PM

I'm surprised nobody listed Answer Lively for his breathtaking win over ally's aly in the 98 juvie.

RolloTomasi · #55 10-11-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'm surprised nobody listed Answer Lively for his breathtaking win over ally's aly in the 98 juvie.

I wonder if you would have even posted that if Kiris and I weren't talking about another John Franks runner in the three previous posts.

To be fair, that race produced a champion and classic winner in Lemon Drop Kid and a classic-placed, BC Classic winner in Cat Thief.

TheSpyder · #56 10-11-2008, 08:20 PM

OK, I'm going to say it right here, and you'll send the rath to me....

Big Brown...if he does it will be something very special. Forget the owner/trainer.

RolloTomasi · #57 10-11-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

True, she was considered disappointing up to that, but I attribute that to Shug's handling.. prior to the Alabama he had her sprinting all year..

I think she had some problems early in the year after getting upset in her comeback at GP. The Prioress-Test route seemed like a way of getting her in shape for the fall without having to get thrown into the wolves in the Triple Tiara (not to mention he already had Inside Information geared up for those). She lost both races, but she caught Lakeway on the downhill slide in the one that counted.

I guess her BC runner up effort secured her the Eclipse, but she probably should have done a bit better if she was only splitting two 50-1 shots (One Dreamer and Miss Dominique). Especially when she showed up that day and the two favorites (Hollywood Wildcat and Sky Beauty) did not.

Indian Charlie · #58 10-11-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I wonder if you would have even posted that if Kiris and I weren't talking about another John Franks runner in the three previous posts.

To be fair, that race produced a champion and classic winner in Lemon Drop Kid and a classic-placed, BC Classic winner in Cat Thief.

Nothing of the sort. I just tried to come up with the most gut wrenchingly bad bc race I could remember, and it was between the Answer Lively race and the Cat Thief beating my big BC bet that year in the classic, Budroyale.

Sincerely though, I am surprised at the lack of mention for Chief's Crown. That race was loaded.

RolloTomasi · #59 10-11-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Nothing of the sort. I just tried to come up with the most gut wrenchingly bad bc race I could remember, and it was between the Answer Lively race and the Cat Thief beating my big BC bet that year in the classic, Budroyale.

Sincerely though, I am surprised at the lack of mention for Chief's Crown. That race was loaded.

I thought the Black Tie Affair BC Classic was a giant let down for many reasons.

I didn't see it, but I bet the Success Express Juvenile wasn't too pretty.

Indian Charlie · #60 10-11-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I thought the Black Tie Affair BC Classic was a giant let down for many reasons.

I didn't see it, but I bet the Success Express Juvenile wasn't too pretty.

Twilight Agenda was one of the greatest locks in BC history, but knowing Macaroon was riding him, I knew he'd cede the easy lead to BTA and that exacta was almost a certainty.

Even though I did okay on that race, it pissed me off, as TA was a much better horse.

Success Express looked pretty decent winning that race actually.