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Old 12-18-2008, 03:48 PM
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Mr Obama , would never know anything about anyone who ever did anything wrong , ever . He would never know anything about any of his staff ever doing anything wrong with anybody who did something wrong. Geez its pretty simple.
i'm all in.

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Old 12-18-2008, 03:52 PM
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i'm all in.

do you want to show your cards?
LOL , ok you show me yours and Ill show you mine ,
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:55 PM
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LOL , ok you show me yours and Ill show you mine ,
you already know i'm far more interested in what you have than you'd ever be with what i have.
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Old 12-18-2008, 04:02 PM
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you already know i'm far more interested in what you have than you'd ever be with what i have.

Not really , Im interested in all kinds of stuff , how stuffed are you
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Old 12-18-2008, 04:11 PM
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Not really , Im interested in all kinds of stuff , how stuffed are you

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Old 12-18-2008, 08:37 PM
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rush to defend obama from what? pointing out that no one has accused anyone from the incoming admin of wrongdoing isn't jumping the gun before evidence is presented. it's just saying out loud that those spinning otherwise are running around with no clothes on.

and it's not the left. it's the 80% of the country that isn't hard right. you guys are still just talking amongst yourselves. no one else is worried about this because we've heard fitzpatrick quote blago cursing out the president elect because he wouldn't offer anything.

we all know republican's are scrambling for an identity after the election. i suppose supermarket tabloid is an actual option if that's where they want to go.
Why isnt this story fair game? No one said that Obama did anything wrong but there are unnamed people still deeply involved and there is a good chance that some of them may be on Obama's staff. Republicans arent involved in this story, it is 100% crooked Democrats. I believe that Riot's blanket defense of Obama and implication that the RNC is making this out to be a bigger story than it should be is either partisan or naive. The media has treated Obama with kid gloves on this yet the ridiclous assertion that Republicans are somehow to blame for the news coverage baffles me. Hell for all we know it may have been Rahm or someone on Obama's staff that worked with the Feds on nabbing Blago. But despite all the unknown details it is all the republicans fault. Priceless.
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:48 PM
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Yes, it was Obama's senate seat. Anything else?



"In portions of conversations released in a criminal complaint against Blagojevich, he can be heard complaining that Obama wouldn't give anything in return for a Jarrett appointment."

As I said, if something changes regarding Obama's involvement, wake me up.
The article also says...
"A source with the Obama camp strongly denied Emanuel spoke with the governor directly about the seat, saying Emanuel only spoke with Blagojevich once recently to say he was taking the chief of staff post.

But sources with knowledge of the investigation said Blagojevich told his aides about the calls with Emanuel and sometimes gave them directions afterward. Sources said that early on, Emanuel pushed for the appointment of Jarrett to the governor and his staff and asked that it be done by a certain date.

At least some of the conversations between Emanuel and Blagojevich were likely caught on tape, sources said."


Bury your head in the sand on this but this IS a story because Obama IS the President and he IS connected with this entire mess. Not to mention his people DID lie initially about their involvment and when the president elects staff lies about something it makes me wonder why exactly they did so. Perhaps they were just covering their tracks and figured deny, deny, deny, until they were told that they had tapes with their guys where then Obama made the call to correct the "mistake". Like I said before imagine the reaction from the media if the Republicans were the crooked party.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:33 PM
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Why isnt this story fair game? No one said that Obama did anything wrong but there are unnamed people still deeply involved and there is a good chance that some of them may be on Obama's staff. Republicans arent involved in this story, it is 100% crooked Democrats. I believe that Riot's blanket defense of Obama and implication that the RNC is making this out to be a bigger story than it should be is either partisan or naive. The media has treated Obama with kid gloves on this yet the ridiclous assertion that Republicans are somehow to blame for the news coverage baffles me. Hell for all we know it may have been Rahm or someone on Obama's staff that worked with the Feds on nabbing Blago. But despite all the unknown details it is all the republicans fault. Priceless.
it's fair game if that's what you want.

i'm not one to tell another player to fold a losing hand.

maybe this plays out. maybe it's the tip of the obama corruption iceberg. play on. let's see where it leads.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:40 PM
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Why isnt this story fair game? No one said that Obama did anything wrong but there are unnamed people still deeply involved and there is a good chance that some of them may be on Obama's staff. Republicans arent involved in this story, it is 100% crooked Democrats. I believe that Riot's blanket defense of Obama and implication that the RNC is making this out to be a bigger story than it should be is either partisan or naive. The media has treated Obama with kid gloves on this yet the ridiclous assertion that Republicans are somehow to blame for the news coverage baffles me. Hell for all we know it may have been Rahm or someone on Obama's staff that worked with the Feds on nabbing Blago. But despite all the unknown details it is all the republicans fault. Priceless.
Well..Illinois had 37 years of Right wing Guvs and 3 are/were in jail....guess we led by example.

The rush by the right to make sure that justice is done here and that no one Obama is involved with has done anything wrong is exemplary. But...where the F*ck have you been the last 8 years?
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:49 PM
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Well..Illinois had 37 years of Right wing Guvs and 3 are/were in jail....guess we led by example.

The rush by the right to make sure that justice is done here and that no one Obama is involved with has done anything wrong is exemplary. But...where the F*ck have you been the last 8 years?

screw that tactic. louisiana has a history of corruption and a republican governor. by implication bobby jindal is clearly guilty of republican corruption.
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Well..Illinois had 37 years of Right wing Guvs and 3 are/were in jail....guess we led by example.

The rush by the right to make sure that justice is done here and that no one Obama is involved with has done anything wrong is exemplary. But...where the F*ck have you been the last 8 years?
Boy you guys on the left are awful touchy considering you have control of everything. Maybe you prefer the underdog role? Let me ask once again. If the roles were reversed do you not think that the media and DNC wouldn't be going totally apeshit over this? The Republicans aren't to blame here. Politicians are big boys and Obama and his minions are going to learn the hard way that he is going to be the number one target from now on. You can only blame Bush for so much and so long.
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screw that tactic. louisiana has a history of corruption and a republican governor. by implication bobby jindal is clearly guilty of republican corruption.
Nice argument.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:51 PM
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Boy you guys on the left are awful touchy considering you have control of everything. Maybe you prefer the underdog role? Let me ask once again. If the roles were reversed do you not think that the media and DNC wouldn't be going totally apeshit over this? The Republicans aren't to blame here. Politicians are big boys and Obama and his minions are going to learn the hard way that he is going to be the number one target from now on. You can only blame Bush for so much and so long.
give us at least until he's out of office.
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Boy you guys on the left are awful touchy considering you have control of everything. Maybe you prefer the underdog role? Let me ask once again. If the roles were reversed do you not think that the media and DNC wouldn't be going totally apeshit over this? The Republicans aren't to blame here. Politicians are big boys and Obama and his minions are going to learn the hard way that he is going to be the number one target from now on. You can only blame Bush for so much and so long.
It's not the blaming Bush..It's the holding Bush to the same standards that "you" now put on Obama. Because of 9/11, Bush got a free pass to, in my mind, do a lot worse things that Blago did, and certainly worse that anyone has tried to connect Obama to. Where's the outrage...where are Dellinger's daily links, where is the rush to justice that all of a sudden you guys all feel is your civic duty?
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:57 PM
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I just think Democrats are being unusually touchy over this subject. Casting stones at the RNC over a Democratic scandal where there are connections between a crooked Gov and the President elect over his Senate seat is a stretch. Especially considering that the story is far from completely told. Like I said before maybe Obama will come out smelling like a rose.
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give us at least until he's out of office.
Then you can blame Rush!
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Nice argument.
thanks. i worked on it a full 30 seconds.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:04 PM
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Then you can blame Rush!

drug addicts with eating disorders get a pass from me.

those giving weight to his opinions are another story.
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It's not the blaming Bush..It's the holding Bush to the same standards that "you" now put on Obama. Because of 9/11, Bush got a free pass to, in my mind, do a lot worse things that Blago did, and certainly worse that anyone has tried to connect Obama to. Where's the outrage...where are Dellinger's daily links, where is the rush to justice that all of a sudden you guys all feel is your civic duty?
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Bush is old news and yes Obama is going to be held to that standard as is every president or Senate leader in the future. I began to reply in this post to Riot's partisan blaming of th RNC for this story being covered. Like the media wouldnt run with this especially in a slow news period where the financial stories and auto industry peices have grown monotonous. If Bush's chief of staff had 21 taped conversations with a Governor who was accused of selling a Senate seat among other things you dont think that would be a huge story? Hell the guy throwing shoes at Bush has been covered more extensively outside of Chicago than the Blago story. I have no outrage over the situation though i would love to know what Emmanuel and Obama knew about this guy.
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thanks. i worked on it a full 30 seconds.
I'll tell Honu, i'm sure that will impress her enough to change teams
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