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03-29-2009, 05:09 PM
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This is a really pathetic case, IMO. Cops work a thankless and dangerous job but they should be aware enough to asses a situation like this vs. a truly dangerous and/or reckless situation. Steve said it well previously that the cops are here to "protect and serve" and I add, they are on the job on our dime.
While it is true that when all is equal, the police have the command of the community there are in. However, they serve on the taxpayers dime, and as a taxpayer, I want the cops in my community to do their jobs. I expect when people go astray of the law they are arrested or fined as they should be. But, when a situation calls for compassion, I expect cops should be able to see that and act upon it. Do we think if this was a guy hustling his pregnant wife to the maternity ward this would have had the same outcome? In my eyes, it's the same type of situation, and cops should be able to see that, and I trust most do. The fact that Ryan Moats in black is all the more disturbing, because you have to believe profiling was involved. I read this Moats article and one I will paste below in the course of a few days. Basically, there are so many zoning ordinances on sex offenders in Miami-Dade County, that the only place some of them can live and not be in violation is under a bridge. Humans forced to live under a bridge by overzealous politicians trying to look "tough" on crime. Is this the kind of country we live in now a days, where cops profile black guys trying to get a final minute in with dying relatives and we pass laws to force people who have paid their debt to society to live under a bridge? http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nat...icleid=1161620
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03-30-2009, 10:35 AM
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Looks like the badge in question has had some previous run ins...notably, Zach Thomas' wife:
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...icleid=1162188
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03-30-2009, 11:35 AM
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03-30-2009, 12:39 PM
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03-30-2009, 10:01 PM
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Well yeah.
A Dallas cop starts out at 41k. That sucks. I'd give people grief too if I worked a dangerous job for that kind of pay.
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03-30-2009, 10:39 PM
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Just look at the statement above. Anyone who does not think there is a diff. is lying to themselves. And its not just the white man keepin "us" down. Its the African American family unit as well. imo this is the biggest problem. Father family figure absent is a horrible problem. And it still is not cool to be black and smart. Hopefully the above will change. We have a huge problem when fully 2/3 of black kids are reading below grade level by 4th grade and it just gets worse after that. Its tough for African American fathers to read to their children when they are not around. A question must be asked about why African American fathers leave the family so frequently compared to other ethnic groups.
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03-30-2009, 11:16 PM
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You dont need to throw a women in jail for 3 hours for a U-turn. A little gunhappy... Yes indeed, just a little. The guy is an idiot.
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04-01-2009, 12:55 AM
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Scuds, your story hits home - there isn't a cop on the street that doesn't *profile*, although it's not as racist as civilians make it out to be, I think it really is more socio-economic (and there are more poor minorities in big cities)... when I was going through FTO (field training) with the San Jose PD, I drove past a hispanic guy straddling a bike and talking with a guy who was drinking a beer in the driveway of the guys house (or so I assumed). My Training Officer asked me, "don't you think you should stop and talk to those guys?" I asked, "why should I?" His reply was, "a grown man wearing anything other that those silly tight riding shorts and riding an expensive bike is only riding a bike because he doesn't have a license. His license was probably suspended, maybe for a drug violation or maybe he has a warrant. Your PC (probable cause) for the stop is the guy drinking the beer in public." My reply to him was, "So, based on your logic, a cop would have reasonable cause to question my father who lives in Los Altos (an upper-middle class town in the Bay Area) for drinking a glass of wine in his yard while he was talking to the neighbor who was on his oldest son's bike because he was testing it out after repairing the chain." My T.O.'s reply was, "only if your Dad looks like a dirtbag."
Another time I stopped a black guy who was driving through a hispanic neighborhood known for drug sales. I never saw him stop or talk with anyone, he was just driving through in the middle of the day. My PC for the stop? Faded month tab on his license plate. I walked up to his car, explained my reason for the stop, explained that the neighborhood was known for drug activity and asked if I could search his car. He said he appreciated my polite request but he'd had enough cops search his car and they always tore it up and never found anything, so he was saying "no" to my request. I told him that without his approval (and without seeing anything illegal in plain sight in his car) I couldn't search his vehicle. I was back at my patrol writing a fix-it-ticket when a senior officer at the scene decided he didn't need permission so he walked up to the guy and told him, "I'm searching your car, move out of my way" and proceeded to trash the car - Result: no drugs found. Black guy drives away with a ticket and a messed up car, but he never complained to HQ, must have just figured it was a price for being "black in America". These are just a few of the reasons why I'm no longer a cop.
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yes, they asked to search it was 3 am and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank" WTF I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it. That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town ooops
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I was leaving Chicago headed home on 116 it makes perfect sense really it does
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04-02-2009, 09:39 AM
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There are ways to stealth your profile. Gives me an idea for the 'Ole white lady' driver's mask to be selliing soon in a liquor store/head shop near you.
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2. I just rechecked the dictionary just to be sure. "Retard" does not end in a vowel.
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