god must bless america

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, I got it.

You're doing this to get a rise of me and Bob and Riot. It can only be that, because I've hung out with you too many times, and know that you're way too smart to be doing this cherry-picking and actually mean it.

Obviously, not a single one of your quotes has come from the report itself, which says plenty. The report is a big picture item, and you're taking opinions of single sentences which completely contradict the actual purpose of the report so you can do this veterans high horse routine.

No to the contrary, 'the report' is just one example of the 'loathing of the military' policy started by Clinton. Al Gore tried to throw out absentee ballots cast by active, deployed military personal and now Obama and Co are actually investigating them.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No to the contrary, 'the report' is just one example of the 'loathing of the military' policy started by Clinton. Al Gore tried to throw out absentee ballots cast by active, deployed military personal and now Obama and Co are actually investigating them.

Ok, so you're saying you obviously haven't read the report.

Got it.

There is no other way one could be so incredibly intellectually dishonest about this.

Unless, of course, your name was Michelle Malkin...and then at least you'd be getting paid for doing so.

[johnny pinwheel]

some more mindless blather in the politics section, no wonder i love sports and horse racing and laugh at politics and religion. God loves america, so does the easter bunny and santa clause. and if we sing some stupid song, wave a flag and wear a pin he blesses us! wow, that makes perfect sense, should i put out cookies and milk too. then this clown takes advantage of this nonsense when hes in the stadium and sh!tfaced. God must be impressed with all of this brain power....lol. maybe if some of you guys sing God bless america you'll cash more tickets...try that one...lol

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, so you're saying you obviously haven't read the report.

Got it.

There is no other way one could be so incredibly intellectually dishonest about this.

Unless, of course, your name was Michelle Malkin...and then at least you'd be getting paid for doing so.

ok let me quote from the report

"DHS/I&A assesses that the combination of environmental factors that echo
the 1990s, including heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms restrictions and returning military veterans, as well as several new trends, including an uncertain economy and a perceived rising influence of other countries, may be invigorating rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements. To the extent that these factors persist, rightwing extremism is likely to grow in strength."

"After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military
veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing
extremist groups."

Just a wee bit of stereotyping?

At least Obama is consistent with the Clinton policy of 'loathing the military' and showed it when snubbing Medal of Honor recipients inauguration night.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Unless, of course, your name was Michelle Malkin...and then at least you'd be getting paid for doing so.

Ha - I have a challenge for you: explain Rep. Michele Bachmann

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

some more mindless blather in the politics section, no wonder i love sports and horse racing and laugh at politics and religion. God loves america, so does the easter bunny and santa clause. and if we sing some stupid song, wave a flag and wear a pin he blesses us! wow, that makes perfect sense, should i put out cookies and milk too. then this clown takes advantage of this nonsense when hes in the stadium and sh!tfaced. God must be impressed with all of this brain power....lol. maybe if some of you guys sing God bless america you'll cash more tickets...try that one...lol

Insightful, strange you capitilized God and not America?

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Insightful, strange you capitilized God and not America?

thats because i fear and respect God. when i see how people think its becomes really hard to respect some stupid country. the keyword being stupid and i'm quite sure God feels the same way.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

You're doing this to get a rise of me and Bob and Riot. It can only be that, because I've hung out with you too many times, and know that you're way too smart to be doing this cherry-picking and actually mean it.

When the conclusion doesn't fit, check the premise.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

ok let me quote from the report

"DHS/I&A assesses that the combination of environmental factors that echo
the 1990s, including heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms restrictions and returning military veterans, as well as several new trends, including an uncertain economy and a perceived rising influence of other countries, may be invigorating rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements. To the extent that these factors persist, rightwing extremism is likely to grow in strength."

"After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military
veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing
extremist groups."

Just a wee bit of stereotyping?

At least Obama is consistent with the Clinton policy of 'loathing the military' and showed it when snubbing Medal of Honor recipients inauguration night.

Strange that those who are so "offended" by the realistic report are the same ones who generally don't have any problem at all with racial profiling. Profiling Muslims? Awesome. Profiling trouble-making extremist right-wing groups and learning what types of people they're going to go after and keeping an eye on them to minimize threat potential? Terrible. Offensive. EGAD!

Hell, Malkin (who's leading the charge on being so outraged by this) has written an entire freaking book dedicated to explaining why internment camps were awesome.

This is typical, just like spending complaints. Eight years of out of control spending under Bush? Suh-WEEEEET! Two months of out of control spending to try to stimulate an economy under Obama? Terrible. Offensive. EGAD! TEABAG NOW!

Selective, mostly manufactured, outrage would be hilarious if it weren't so goddamn annoying.

So your message basicaly boils down to it's good when we do it, bad when you do. Got it loud and clear, at least it's simple and concise.

Weak sauce Dell.

[Riot]

The report most obviously doesn't come remotely close to calling returning American veterans terrorists.

Thanks for posting that, Dell

"Stereotyping" ? You mean, like where the report calls all good gun-owning Americans terrorists?

Obama "loathing the military" - yet he just helped them out incredibly with the new veteran medical records legislation just passed. Can't believe our President put veterans on the top of his priority list just after his election, the evil Muslim Fascist.

[dellinger63]

[quote=brianwspencer]
This is typical, just like spending complaints. Eight years of out of control spending under Bush? Suh-WEEEEET! Two months of out of control spending to try to stimulate an economy under Obama? Terrible. Offensive. EGAD! TEABAG NOW!QUOTE]

Little bit of a difference in the amount of spending though huh?

And if you thought Bush was out of control, compare numbers and realize Obama is like a skid row drunk who happened to find an American Express black card and wants to get as much as he can off of it before it gets shut off. Leftys were concerned about who paid for Nancy Reagan's gown just a short time ago and now not a peep about Slick Willie getting a $300 haircut while holding up flights at LAX or Michele O's personal makeup artist.

[Riot]

Tax dollars do not pay for Michele O's personal makeup artist. Tax dollars do not pay for a President's food, either. Some State parties - yes. Gifts to heads of state - no. Daily eating, clothes, etc - nope.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Little bit of a difference in the amount of spending though huh?

And if you thought Bush was out of control, compare numbers and realize Obama is like a skid row drunk who happened to find an American Express black card and wants to get as much as he can off of it before it gets shut off. Leftys were concerned about who paid for Nancy Reagan's gown just a short time ago and now not a peep about Slick Willie getting a $300 haircut while holding up flights at LAX or Michele O's personal makeup artist.

Point being, if you guys are all $hitting in your pants to condemn wild, irresponsible spending, you either condemn it across the board (when it's happening...not this "oh yea, well in retrospect Bush sucked too." That doesn't count. It's a pathetic attempt to establish credibility....where were you for 8 years?) or you keep your mouth shut. Those are the two honest options.

Or, as the 2009 Right M.O. goes, you just complain about Obama and get your panties all in a twitch when people rightfully call you out as a hypocrite.

At the very least it's making my life easy, because it's not even taking much intellectual engagement to be able to see through all of it and dismiss it, because you aren't even bothering to take the time to craft semi-coherent, logical arguments. And by "you," I mean nearly all of the Right, not just you personally. So depending on your POV, your intellectual laziness at least lets you keep some good company.

Now let's stop arguing and get back to the important stuff -- fancy haircuts and how all our vets are about to turn into suicide bombers!!!!!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Point being, if you guys are all $hitting in your pants to condemn wild, irresponsible spending, you either condemn it across the board (when it's happening...not this "oh yea, well in retrospect Bush sucked too." That doesn't count. It's a pathetic attempt to establish credibility....where were you for 8 years?) or you keep your mouth shut. Those are the two honest options.

Or, as the 2009 Right M.O. goes, you just complain about Obama and get your panties all in a twitch when people rightfully call you out as a hypocrite.

At the very least it's making my life easy, because it's not even taking much intellectual engagement to be able to see through all of it and dismiss it, because you aren't even bothering to take the time to craft semi-coherent, logical arguments. And by "you," I mean nearly all of the Right, not just you personally. So depending on your POV, your intellectual laziness at least lets you keep some good company.

Now let's stop arguing and get back to the important stuff -- fancy haircuts and how all our vets are about to turn into suicide bombers!!!!!

So I take bitching about 8 years of uncontrollable spending, in your words, and now witnessing Obama take the deficit from 400 billion to 1,750 billion in one year, in support is not hypocritical? or can't dems be hypocritical a la black racists.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So I take bitching about 8 years of uncontrollable spending, in your words, and now witnessing Obama take the deficit from 400 billion to 1,750 billion in one year, in support is not hypocritical? or can't dems be hypocritical a la black racists.

Not in this case, because YOU weren't bitching about uncontrollable spending for 8 years...unless of course I missed that consistent POV coming from you around here.

I frankly don't care a whole lot...and wasn't bitching about Bush's spending when it was happening the same way I'm not bitching about Obama's.

I only do it now when you guys want to all of the sudden start holding people to a standard you just seem to have found three months ago. Your hypocrisy and transparency isn't all that much my personal problem to fix. I'm at least consistent.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Not in this case, because YOU weren't bitching about uncontrollable spending for 8 years...unless of course I missed that consistent POV coming from you around here.

I frankly don't care a whole lot...and wasn't bitching about Bush's spending when it was happening the same way I'm not bitching about Obama's.

I only do it now when you guys want to all of the sudden start holding people to a standard you just seem to have found three months ago. Your hypocrisy and transparency isn't all that much my personal problem to fix. I'm at least consistent.

OK let me try and understand this thought process. A $400 deficit for a day of betting is equally as bad as a $1,750 deficit? If you don't bitch about losing $400 you can't bitch about $1,750? Is that democratic math?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

OK let me try and understand this thought process. A $400 deficit for a day of betting is equally as bad as a $1,750 deficit? If you don't bitch about losing $400 you can't bitch about $1,750? Is that democratic math?

You seem to be trying to prove that 1,750 is more than 400, and yes, I certainly agree with you. Numbers are a strong spot for me, so hopefully we can agree on that.

Your analogy to wagering only halfway works though.

Of course losing $1,750 is worse than $400. But if your budget for each day was $125 and you went ape$hit out of control then yes, it makes no sense to be only upset about having gone MORE out of control. You're either for going overboard or against it (your type is good with those 'for or against' only dichotomies, right?). You don't get to be okay with going totally overboard and being irresponsible but then be completely against going MORE overboard than that. They're either both wrong or they're both not, and you expose yourself as a hack when only one makes you mad based on the degree and who is doing it.

[dellinger63]

so do you think Bush should have spent more or Obama less?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

so do you think Bush should have spent more or Obama less?

To me, spending is up to the administration and the President based on circumstances at the time. It would be hypocritical to condone Bush's spending and not Obamas. And all the things I despised about Bush, spending was the least of the problems...except obviously what he spent it on..the war.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

To me, spending is up to the administration and the President based on circumstances at the time. It would be hypocritical to condone Bush's spending and not Obamas. And all the things I despised about Bush, spending was the least of the problems...except obviously what he spent it on..the war.

the treasury did take in record revenues under bush , no credit for thst?