NBA Championship: Lakers Vs. Magic - Page 3

SniperSB23 · #41 06-11-2009, 04:40 PM

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Or you could say he was on a team with 33 wins and there was lots of garbage time against bad players? Hmmmmm.

In 2005-2006 the Celtics were outscored by 1.5 points per game. In 2008-2009 the Cavs outscored their opponents by 8.9 points per game. Yet you are telling me that there was more garbage time in those Celtics games than in the Cavs games this year?

Cannon Shell · #42 06-11-2009, 04:49 PM

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So playing on a bad team helped him shoot a higher percentage, dish out more assists, and grab more rebounds? Interesting logic, seems having Lebron as a teammate would help you shoot a higher percentage and dish out more assists for sure. So you could almost make the argument that his game has actually dropped off since his numbers have dropped in those categories despite the attention that opposing defenses pay to Lebron.

I think you are totally offbase. First of all he was a point guard in Boston. He plays much more off the ball now. Secondly LeBron james rarely scores off off other guys passes, he also controls the ball a lot which will cut down on guards assists. He also is assigned to cover the other teams best wing player on defense. The FG% is hardly a big deal considering he only avgs about 10 shots a game. Over a 10 game period it is three more missed shots. The guy does have a problem staying healthy which is why he isnt more respected. Even this year he was hurt and came back fairly quickly afterwards which surely dipped his numbers. 2 key stats that you failed to mention is that the number of turnovers and fouls has dropped quite a bit which shows that he is growing as a player. Basketball stats are also really affected by systems and coaches way more than baseball

SniperSB23 · #43 06-11-2009, 04:56 PM

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I think you are totally offbase. First of all he was a point guard in Boston. He plays much more off the ball now. Secondly LeBron james rarely scores off off other guys passes, he also controls the ball a lot which will cut down on guards assists. He also is assigned to cover the other teams best wing player on defense. The FG% is hardly a big deal considering he only avgs about 10 shots a game. Over a 10 game period it is three more missed shots. The guy does have a problem staying healthy which is why he isnt more respected. Even this year he was hurt and came back fairly quickly afterwards which surely dipped his numbers. 2 key stats that you failed to mention is that the number of turnovers and fouls has dropped quite a bit which shows that he is growing as a player. Basketball stats are also really affected by systems and coaches way more than baseball

I'm not buying that Delonte West sucked and is suddenly a good player. He's maybe improved slightly but he's not significantly better than he was in his second year. If Lebron leaves Cleveland he'll be right back to being on a 33 win team.

Cannon Shell · #44 06-11-2009, 05:22 PM

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I'm not buying that Delonte West sucked and is suddenly a good player. He's maybe improved slightly but he's not significantly better than he was in his second year. If Lebron leaves Cleveland he'll be right back to being on a 33 win team.

I dont think he sucked as a second year player. But he is a better player now. hell he was much better this year than last. I just want to know why PJ decided he couldnt play and refused to play him.

dalakhani · #45 06-11-2009, 08:33 PM

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I dont think he sucked as a second year player. But he is a better player now. hell he was much better this year than last. I just want to know why PJ decided he couldnt play and refused to play him.

LOL You mean, PJ "fingerprint neck" carlesimo? Maybe he thought Delonte was a light skinned version of Latrell.

Cannon Shell · #46 06-11-2009, 08:41 PM

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LOL You mean, PJ "fingerprint neck" carlesimo? Maybe he thought Delonte was a light skinned version of Latrell.

Who knew Latrell had the right idea?

dalakhani · #47 06-11-2009, 08:44 PM

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What has been interesting to me is that the Lakers still don't play really good defense. They have the athletes and for stretches, they play it as well as anyone. But they seem to get bored with it and don't know how to commit on that end of the floor. Everyone thinks that the Laker defense broke down in game three and that's why the Magic shot so well. I don't agree. The defense was the same as it was in game one. The Magic get whatever shot they want to get out on the perimeter. They were as wide open in game three as they had been in games one and two. They just made the shots this time. That's what game four will come down to. Will they make the shots or miss them. They will get them though. The Magic that is. He's got to make quicker moves once he gets the ball. He can't keep putting it on the floor and allowing the double team to get there because once he commits to a move, he's predictable. He has no counter moves. He has been effective at kicking it out to his shooters though so I give him credit there. That's the way this team has to play; inside-out. Not the other way around. They can't get too enamored with the three and forget to go inside because that's what opens up their perimeter game. I think the Lakers would be better served putting Bryant on Turkoglu and Ariza on Alston. I'd start Odom and put him on Lewis. Gasol is going to have guard Howard and that could get him in foul trouble but the same works on the other end. The reasoning is because I think you want to cut a team off at the head and having your two best defenders on their two primary ballhandlers would completely disrupt their offense. On the other end, the Laker offense has to be more diverse. I understand that Kobe Bryant is one of the great players in the history of the game. I understand that he has an ability to score that is second to none. But he's got to recognize when his teammates have it going and he doesn't HAVE to take over. It's one thing when those guys aren't on their game and Kobe has to bail them out. But that wasn't the case in the last game. Kobe took 25 shots last game. He was 8-11 at one point and finished 11-25 so he went 3 of his last 14. Meanwhile, Gasol was 9-11 and Odom was 4-6. They were a combined 13-17. Gasol is shooting 62% in this series. Odom is shooting 65%. You've got to use those guys. Gasol is a guy that should have been second-team all league and arguably could have been first team and he's getting 11 shots and only averaging 12.3 shots in the finals? That's just not enough. Kobe's had 81 shots in the series (27 a game) while those two guys have 63 (21 a game). When you have an obvious advantage and don't use it, what's the point? One thing that the Lakers are doing that I really love is getting the ball into the post on the strong side with Kobe on that side. That keeps his man from being able to drop off and double-team cause you aren't going to double off of Kobe. By doing this, you are getting great looks for Gasol down low. Use him. Make Howard work on the defensive end. Run some more isolation for Odom. Nobody on that team can come close to guarding him. The Lakers are the superior team but the way they are playing is keeping Orlando in it.

The bottom line is that the lakers can not and will not play howard straight up the whole game. It looks that way at times but gasol (or bynum) always has help and people are going to be open on the perimeter. In game 2, Lewis kept them in the game and in game 3 alston proved again that he can hit a 17 ft jump shot...sometimes...when left wide open.

Fisher is too old to put any on the ball pressure or rotate effectively on the perimeter. The only problem is that Phil can't trust anyone else. If you run the offense though kobe, it wears him out and keeps him from doing what he does best.

dalakhani · #48 06-11-2009, 08:46 PM

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Who knew Latrell had the right idea?

He is a good coach x and o wise and he did good in college. From many accounts, he doesnt get along well with professional basketball players especially the thuggish looking variety.

yes, Latrell was ahead of all of us.

SniperSB23 · #49 06-11-2009, 11:46 PM

How overpaid is Hedo going to be this offseason?

SniperSB23 · #50 06-11-2009, 11:50 PM

That would be the second rape that Kobe has gotten away with if you are scoring at home.

docicu3 · #51 06-11-2009, 11:51 PM

Howard may regret missing them both here.....understatement

dalakhani · #52 06-12-2009, 12:20 AM

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How overpaid is Hedo going to be this offseason?

Overpaid? Whatever he gets he is worth it.

SniperSB23 · #53 06-12-2009, 12:22 AM

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Overpaid? Whatever he gets he is worth it.

He's been huge this series but have you thought about putting in an application for GM of the Clippers? They could use someone like you to give a max contract to Turkoglu and bring their ineptitude into the next decade.

King Glorious · #54 06-12-2009, 12:27 AM

I hope this finally puts an end to this silly Ariza/West argument. I'd take Ariza over West any and every day.

King Glorious · #55 06-12-2009, 12:28 AM

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Overpaid? Whatever he gets he is worth it.

No, he's not. He's a really nice player but like Lewis, he's not a star player. He's not a guy that you get to lead your team. He shouldn't be a max contract guy.

#56 06-12-2009, 12:29 AM

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That would be the second rape that Kobe has gotten away with if you are scoring at home.

The officiating was horrible for both teams. Lakers are just a better team.

SniperSB23 · #57 06-12-2009, 12:34 AM

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The officiating was horrible for both teams. Lakers are just a better team.

Is that on the basis that the Magic are one layup and one free throw from being up 3-1?

dalakhani · #58 06-12-2009, 12:35 AM

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No, he's not. He's a really nice player but like Lewis, he's not a star player. He's not a guy that you get to lead your team. He shouldn't be a max contract guy.

I didnt mean i would give him max and i should have clarified. Right now though, he is a poor man's dirk nowitzki.

He is worth Antawn Jamison money and that means 8 figures.

dalakhani · #59 06-12-2009, 12:38 AM

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Is that on the basis that the Magic are one layup and one free throw from being up 3-1?

Yeah, but the winners don't need those excuses. I actually find myself cheering for the magic at times but surely you see that the lakers are just a hair better or at least thats what it seems to me.

SniperSB23 · #60 06-12-2009, 12:40 AM

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I didnt mean i would give him max and i should have clarified. Right now though, he is a poor man's dirk nowitzki.

He is worth Antawn Jamison money and that means 8 figures.

When has Dirk ever run the point? I don't think you could have come up with a worse comparison.