Wooley gets it, I guess others don't - Page 3

dagolfer33 · #41 06-10-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

My idea has always been to charge admission to the casino and then give them wagering credit at the track equal to the cost of admission. So they have to pony up $10 to get in but then get credit to go wager $10 on the track.

Thats a good idea assuming the casinos involved wanted people to go to the track and bet instead of dumping it into slots. But I can assure you 150% they want the money dumped into the machines.

SniperSB23 · #42 06-10-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33

Thats a good idea assuming the casinos involved wanted people to go to the track and bet instead of dumping it into slots. But I can assure you 150% they want the money dumped into the machines.

Oh yeah, without a doubt they do. But it should be a condition of getting the slot license at a racing facility.

dagolfer33 · #43 06-10-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Oh yeah, without a doubt they do. But it should be a condition of getting the slot license at a racing facility.

It should be that way. Most casinos will hide behind any front in order to get those poker machines and slots. But invariably, patrons must pass thru slot areas to get to the track instead of vice-versa.

rpncaine · #44 06-10-2009, 02:01 PM

Couldn't agree more...Indy Live casino doesn't give a rats a@@ about people going to the track. All they want is to make sure that when the live racing is done, they flock over to the slots. I figure the only thing I can do is tell anyone who will listen that they should be betting the ponies and maybe getting a better return. If 1 in 25 people listen a little and start doing that, then it's about all I can do right now to advance the game. Someday I'd like to get a piece of a horse to own, but that will have to wait until the Student loans are paid down. Don't get me wrong, I will play a little roulette, electronic poker and I'd damn sure play craps if they ever get it, but I go for the racing and let my wife piss away the time with the penny slots. If I make enough to cover her losses, then every one had fun!

MaTH716 · #45 06-10-2009, 02:08 PM

Too bad that the machines don't (or maybe they do, for all I know) have the ability/option to watch and wager on races from your joker poker machine. For instance, you have 50 dollars worth of credits in your machine. You realize that there is a race going off in one minute. Hit the racing option on your machine and have the ability to bet with your credits or putting more money in the machine. Print out a ticket and then watchthe race from your terminal. After the race switch back to the joker poker until the next race.

dagolfer33 · #46 06-10-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine

Couldn't agree more...Indy Live casino doesn't give a rats a@@ about people going to the track. All they want is to make sure that when the live racing is done, they flock over to the slots. I figure the only thing I can do is tell anyone who will listen that they should be betting the ponies and maybe getting a better return. If 1 in 25 people listen a little and start doing that, then it's about all I can do right now to advance the game. Someday I'd like to get a piece of a horse to own, but that will have to wait until the Student loans are paid down. Don't get me wrong, I will play a little roulette, electronic poker and I'd damn sure play craps if they ever get it, but I go for the racing and let my wife piss away the time with the penny slots. If I make enough to cover her losses, then every one had fun!

I advocate as well to anyone I know who frequents casinos. Not only do I get a better return on my bets, I also feel better about losing my money. That may sound stupid, but I used to be in casinos 200 days a year. I can no longer go into casino and bet in good conscience. One of my best friend whom I work with goes with his wife to casino in and around and probably lose half or maybe even all of their disposable income every month. He makes very good money, but they are on the brink of ruin. I have been trying incessantly to get him to pick up a form and listen to what I am saying, but he is just too damn lazy to bet horses.

dagolfer33 · #47 06-10-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Too bad that the machines don't (or maybe they do, for all I know) have the ability/option to watch and wager on races from your joker poker machine. For instance, you have 50 dollars worth of credits in your machine. You realize that there is a race going off in one minute. Hit the racing option on your machine and have the ability to bet with your credits or putting more money in the machine. Print out a ticket and then watchthe race from your terminal. After the race switch back to the joker poker until the next race.

Another interesting idea, intermingle the two forms of betting. Good idea, Matt.

MaTH716 · #48 06-10-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I advocate as well to anyone I know who frequents casinos. Not only do I get a better return on my bets, I also feel better about losing my money. That may sound stupid, but I used to be in casinos 200 days a year. I can no longer go into casino and bet in good conscience. One of my best friend whom I work with goes with his wife to casino in and around and probably lose half or maybe even all of their disposable income every month. He makes very good money, but they are on the brink of ruin. I have been trying incessantly to get him to pick up a form and listen to what I am saying, but he is just too damn lazy to bet horses.

Forget about getting him to the track, maybe you should think about taking him to a GA meeting.

dagolfer33 · #49 06-10-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Forget about getting him to the track, maybe you should think about taking him to a GA meeting.

I know where a few of those are.

Bigsmc · #50 06-10-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Forget about getting him to the track, maybe you should think about taking him to a GA meeting.

I second that, anybody that is "on the brink of ruin" needs to stop all forms of gambling and start paying his bills.

Antitrust32 · #51 06-10-2009, 02:20 PM

Scott and Matt both have very good idea's. Its a shame that track and casino management never really believe in good idea's.

FGFan · #52 06-10-2009, 03:15 PM

Having slots here at the FG and now the new slot facility have a little experience with this.
At the FG you don't have to even enter the slot area to get into the racing area, frankly I forget it's even there. It doesn't affect the horse people's area at all. But I tell you this it's busy.
However we have long had gambling down here first with Mississippi and then Louisiana, so it's really nothing new just more available. And the OTB's have a seperate slot facility away from the horse racing area so it really doesn't affect you if you don't want to mingle with the slot people.

I do see more men with their wives or girlfriends, sometimes vice versa, he comes to play the ponies and she can spend the day at the slots and they go back and forth. I have seen an increase in attendance and I see alot more new people, i guess they are coming over from the slots playing the horses. The FG doens't charge admission and parking is free.

As far as what Math said, at the FG, can't vouch for anywhere else, in the slot facility at the FG you can bet the horses, they have the live feeds running everywhere and betting machines and for multiple tracks. Most of the slot machines have a horsey/jockey theme,it's kinda cute.

It's a tricky thing though adding slots, I am a proponent if it is done right. But the horsemen really have to work with the legislation. All slot monies go back into horseracing here, it has increased the purses, it keeps the facilities with full time employment for some, has increased racing days and hopefully, it's still new, has supplemented the LA bred breeding program with incentives.

I don't think it's the end all to racings problems but it is definitely a boost.

Scav · #53 06-10-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I second that, anybody that is "on the brink of ruin" needs to stop all forms of gambling and start paying his bills.

This might cause a BigRuins sighting

PatCummings · #54 06-10-2009, 04:17 PM

Just to put some perspective on the amount of $$$ being wagered in these casinos...

In January and February combined, the total amount of money put through the slots at Philadelphia Park alone...just shy of $1,000,000,000.

How long would it take $1 billion to get put through the windows?

chucklestheclown · #55 06-11-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

My idea has always been to charge admission to the casino and then give them wagering credit at the track equal to the cost of admission. So they have to pony up $10 to get in but then get credit to go wager $10 on the track.

That is a GREAT idea!!!

hockey2315 · #56 06-11-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

Just to put some perspective on the amount of $$$ being wagered in these casinos...

In January and February combined, the total amount of money put through the slots at Philadelphia Park alone...just shy of $1,000,000,000.

How long would it take $1 billion to get put through the windows?

This is a REALLY misleading stat. . .

GenuineRisk · #57 06-11-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33

Im just thinking, if we could get their money into our pools, then we could take their money instead of the government taking their money.

Handicapping is too hard for the average American. It requires thinking, as opposed to slots, which just eat your money and give you shiny lights and noise with no effort required. (I don't get the appeal of slots, but then that kind of mindless gambling depresses me after about 20 minutes. Other people may get a high from the blinky blinky and chingchingching)

But Freddymo, if you're opposed to slots on the grounds that gambling takes people's money, then you can't also support racing because it does the same thing. If you would, I'd like to see some stats to back up your assertion that slots at racetracks are costing states money due to the slots being responsible for sending oodles of people onto state welfare rolls.