The Great Republican Hope

I dont understand why Republicans just dont
say Bozo the conservative could win the 2012
election.

Especially since the economy will clearly tank as
Obama is driving this country deep into debt. The
economy will be so bad all we need is a monkey.

I dont get it.
The Republicans dont need to worry about a candidate,
they will be back in office because the economy will
fail.

Should this not be the line?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

you didnt say anything about bright. You said "power, money, prestige, exclusivity".

If a person were looking for those things and didnt care about helping people, why would they want to be a doctor? All that school and all that work.

I can think of a bunch of careers off the top of my head where they could get all of the things you are talking about (power, money, prestige, exclusivity) and it wouldnt cost them 12 years and a quarter million dollars in student loans.

You're right. They'd become a politician ie a Bush, a Kennedy etc.

[dalakhani]

[quote=pgardn]
Especially since the economy will clearly tank as
Obama is driving this country deep into debt.
I dont get it.
QUOTE]

Ummmm...I read an article in yahoo today and it said the economy was already in the tank and had gone there way before Obama got into office. I read another one in the national enquirer that said the deficit was in the trillions before he took office as well... but im not sure whether to believe that one or not.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You're right. They'd become a politician ie a Bush, a Kennedy etc.

exactly. Or work as a government contractor. Those guys are going to make fortunes over the next 8 years. Heck, those guys have been making fortunes for a while.

[dellinger63]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Especially since the economy will clearly tank as
Obama is driving this country deep into debt.
I dont get it.
QUOTE]

Ummmm...I read an article in yahoo today and it said the economy was already in the tank and had gone there way before Obama got into office. I read another one in the national enquirer that said the deficit was in the trillions before he took office as well... but im not sure whether to believe that one or not.

yea what's a few extra Trillion anyway?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://www.artinthepicture.com/paint...te-aux-Bocaux/

Well, as far as that lil rant(you're talking about) goes, I think if this guy was his patient, then he'd of said the same thing to him. He suffered from 1)exhaustion, 2)insomnia and 3)depression. None of that would of showed up on Doc's trusted blood tests. On March 16, 1955 he committed suicide. He leapt to his death from his eleventh story studio terrace. He was 41 years old. If it ain't easy to fix, or it's "vague," then blame it on the patients disgusting character. It's too damn much trouble.

So this is how the conversation has gone:

1.) You made ANOTHER attack on doctors, this time calling them parasites in white coats who do it for all types of reasons except loving their jobs.

2.) I asked you if you really believed such nonsense.

3.) Your obvious bad experience with a physician was questioned by an actual physician, who also informed you that his is a labor of love.

4.) Rather than reply to doc you decided to cop out and say that he made it personal.

5.) Now you link to a story of a French artist who died from various causes that you claim doctors can't determine.

It's safe to say that you will continue to make gross generalizations, use stereotypes and find minutia to fit your agenda. I'm not a doctor and I'm sorry if you had a bad experience with one, but I'm even sorrier if that bad experience has led you to believe what you do about doctors. Much like people in every other profession, they're not all the same.

NT

[dalakhani]

[quote=dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

yea what's a few extra Trillion anyway?

exactly! joe the plumber doesnt care as long as they don't raise his taxes.

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Especially since the economy will clearly tank as
Obama is driving this country deep into debt.
I dont get it.
QUOTE]

Ummmm...I read an article in yahoo today and it said the economy was already in the tank and had gone there way before Obama got into office. I read another one in the national enquirer that said the deficit was in the trillions before he took office as well... but im not sure whether to believe that one or not.

So the economy will be the downfall of Obama as well.
If anything the economy should get worse. Obama's drastic restructuring
and government intervention will not work.

Dont you think this should be the Republican stance?

[dalakhani]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So the economy will be the downfall of Obama as well.
If anything the economy should get worse. Obama's drastic restructuring
and government intervention will not work.

Dont you think this should be the Republican stance?

While the fed chairman is talking about green shoots?

The country is sick and tired of hearing how bad things are and the warnings about the boogeyman,errr, obama.

Yes, i agree the focus should be on economy for the republicans but it should be an actual vision not just that obama sucks.

[Riot]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Especially since the economy will clearly tank as
Obama is driving this country deep into debt.
I dont get it.
QUOTE]

Ummmm...I read an article in yahoo today and it said the economy was already in the tank and had gone there way before Obama got into office. I read another one in the national enquirer that said the deficit was in the trillions before he took office as well... but im not sure whether to believe that one or not.

Yes, it's true, Bush alone, in his two terms of office, tripled the American debt, well into the trillions.

Yes, the economy (mortgages, recession, banking failures, etc) was being discussed as an imminent problem three years ago.

Pardon me if I think Republican now.

Bush was a disaster. They have admitted such.
So now Obama is adding to the misdeeds. We
are still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now even more
into Pakistan.

So Republicans should be thinking more of the
same, just a lot worse. So they get back into
office quite easily when Obama's policies fail.

There is no need to find a candidate. The presidency
should fall into their laps. Even though being good
patriots, they hope Obama's policies are successful
and the country's welfare is top priority. Republicans actually
know, just like Democrats knew Bush would make a mess,
that the country will be in big trouble so the next election
will be a Republican president cleaning up Obama's mess.

Quite a rosy picture of politics.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Quite a rosy picture of politics.

I think the obvious need is taking partisan politics out of it, and working towards solutions. That's something the GOP seems completely unable to get away from, although they do finally seem to be trying to damp down the campaign-trail type of hysterics.

You'd think, as the party of business and finance, the GOP would have a solution or two to offer. Obama has overtly courted the non-rabid members of the GOP into his administration as advisors, committee members. Smart as far as solution-finding, smart politically.

I guess I was getting back to the original post.

The Great GOP Hope.

My take that the Republicans
should have is they dont need one.
Obama is going way too far using
government instead of at present,
while things are looking a little more
hopeful, getting out of the way and letting
a little more capitalism step in and take over.

Kind of, "you can step away now..."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I guess I was getting back to the original post.

The Great GOP Hope.

My take that the Republicans
should have is they dont need one.
Obama is going way too far using
government instead of at present,
while things are looking a little more
hopeful, getting out of the way and letting
a little more capitalism step in and take over.
Kind of, "you can step away now..."

Stuff like that has been in the news of the past couple of weeks, about some banks being approved as stable enough so they will start paying back billions in TARP funds, about the G8 meeting covering exactly that ("getting out of the way").

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Riot

Stuff like that has been in the news of the past couple of weeks, about some banks being approved as stable enough so they will start paying back billions in TARP funds, about the G8 meeting covering exactly that ("getting out of the way").

Its such a bullshit. The stress tests were about the dumbest thing you could do. First of all, there wasn't enough stress. Second of all, the bogus results were a false signal of a bottoming out.

Wells fargo, b of A and citi are in no better position now than they wee 120 days ago.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Its such a bullshit. The stress tests were about the dumbest thing you could do. First of all, there wasn't enough stress. Second of all, the bogus results were a false signal of a bottoming out.

Wells fargo, b of A and citi are in no better position now than they wee 120 days ago.

so this is Republican fodder...
They supposedly have to do another round
of stress tests. So Obama's people, some of
whom were with the Republicans with Bush,
have not solved anything in the banking sector
or might have even made things worse by "hiding" failure.

I thought the Democrats were going to be
more transparent.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the obvious need is taking partisan politics out of it, and working towards solutions. That's something the GOP seems completely unable to get away from, although they do finally seem to be trying to damp down the campaign-trail type of hysterics.

You'd think, as the party of business and finance, the GOP would have a solution or two to offer. Obama has overtly courted the non-rabid members of the GOP into his administration as advisors, committee members. Smart as far as solution-finding, smart politically.

What exactly is non partisan about Obama's plans, agenda, nominees, etc.? Remember the comment,"I won, get over it"? What exactly was that about? There have been plenty of plans and ideas offered yet the current administration has no use for any of them. Trying to paint this administration as non partisan is ridiculous.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Its such a bullshit. The stress tests were about the dumbest thing you could do. First of all, there wasn't enough stress. Second of all, the bogus results were a false signal of a bottoming out.

Wells fargo, b of A and citi are in no better position now than they wee 120 days ago.

actually, the dumbest thing was changing accounting rules away from mark to market so that bank balance sheets can now be what they imagine an asset will be worth when things are all better vs. what the market tells you it's worth.

i'm not an accountant and i don't have a fully developed grasp of the issue but other than "it's a category 5 sh*t storm if we don't do this", i haven't seen a good explanation for why imaginary numbers are better than real ones.

i don't know how anyone can have any faith in the numbers coming out of financial institutions after this. they're basically made up.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

actually, the dumbest thing was changing accounting rules away from mark to market so that bank balance sheets can now be what they imagine an asset will be worth when things are all better vs. what the market tells you it's worth.

i'm not an accountant and i don't have a fully developed grasp of the issue but other than "it's a category 5 sh*t storm if we don't do this", i haven't seen a good explanation for why imaginary numbers are better than real ones.

i don't know how anyone can have any faith in the numbers coming out of financial institutions after this. they're basically made up.

I can see both sides of the issue. Let me give you an example of where mark to market accounting can put unfair stress on a financial institution. Lets say we have 80 million dollars of AAA loans marked "held for sale" in our warehouse line and we value the assets that are backing those PERFORMING loans at 100 million. ABC bank down the street just had a builder default on a big loan and they need money NOW. They sell a similar book of assets as the ones we have on our line except there is no demand right now for even AAA loans. They have no choice but to sell the 100 million dollars worth of assets off 70 million dollars. Now a new market has been set for 70 million dollars over night. Sucks doesnt it?

Whats worse? Our warehouse lender will call us the next morning for whats called an "equity call". We have to have skin in the game and our 80 million dollars in loans on the warehouse is now being backed by assets valued at 70 million dollars. We have to pay down our line until its 80% of 70 million. Thats a 24 million dollar check. On top of that, we have to have a certain amount of cash on hand. So now we need money. So what do we do? We have to sell assets QUICKLY to raise the cash and the cycle repeats.

It really is not this simple but Im trying to give you a basic understanding of what happens during a credit crunch, why banks horde cash and how mark to market can be devastating to the system.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What exactly is non partisan about Obama's plans, agenda, nominees, etc.? Remember the comment,"I won, get over it"? What exactly was that about? There have been plenty of plans and ideas offered yet the current administration has no use for any of them. Trying to paint this administration as non partisan is ridiculous.

Seriously - when you read, try reading what the person actually wrote - no more, no less.