conflict of interest

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

For the record 99.9% of the time a jockey cannot hear the announcers call during a race at all.

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Honu

For the record 99.9% of the time a jockey cannot hear the announcers call during a race at all.

whos record?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

its funny, I love people who just throw statistics out there and have no source at all to back them up other than "its what I heard". 99.9%, I laughed at least.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

somebody special has fischer on ignore...

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

its funny, I love people who just throw statistics out there and have no source at all to back them up other than "its what I heard". 99.9%, I laughed at least.

I'm pretty sure Honu has ridden in races. "It's what I heard." And obviously the 99% can't really be viewed as a "statistic" - it's a figure of speech.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

somebody special has fischer on ignore...

Actually Byk should have a big IGNORE button next to your name on here. Would save most on here a lot of time. Not the Fatman's(while I think he is a loudmouth, he does seem somewhat knowledgeable and 1 out of 20 times he says something worth reading) .....not any of the other members of my fanclub. Just you. Who really is the dumbest person on here hands down. If Beyer had figures for stupid/brainless comments you would post 128's all the time.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

If Beyer had figures for stupid/brainless comments you would post 128's all the time.

This one's worth saving

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

This one's worth saving

No doubt. That was funny.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Actually Byk should have a big IGNORE button next to your name on here. Would save most on here a lot of time. Not the Fatman's(while I think he is a loudmouth, he does seem somewhat knowledgeable and 1 out of 20 times he says something worth reading) .....not any of the other members of my fanclub. Just you. Who really is the dumbest person on here hands down. If Beyer had figures for stupid/brainless comments you would post 128's all the time.

I honestly know very little about you. I don't think we've ever discussed a race together or talked to each other about anything interesting. If you have a love of the game , **** ANYBODY with a love of the game would find it stimulating to discuss handicapping and wagering with me.
The FatMan, while being a bit strange in the only interaction I had with him, and pompous egotist, is also clearly head and shoulders above anyone else whom I've seen share opinions on the internet.
You could be a genius or an idiot, I really don't remember anything you have ever posted about horseplaying. This isn't a place where great horseplayers sit down and rack each others brains with interesting opinions. It's a hodge podge of a fan site with some horseplayers and some entertainment/killing time. It's a nice site for what it is and has some cool members. To be honest if my boarding moves in ANY direction here, it will probably involve replying more about At The Races, and involve with less threads in general.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

The FatMan, while being a bit strange in the only interaction I had with him, and pompous egotist, is also clearly head and shoulders above anyone else whom I've seen share opinions on the internet.

And the jokes keep coming!

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

This one's worth saving

Thanks....some of my nonsense is actually funny.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I honestly know very little about you. I don't think we've ever discussed a race together or talked to each other about anything interesting. If you have a love of the game , **** ANYBODY with a love of the game would find it stimulating to discuss handicapping and wagering with me.
The FatMan, while being a bit strange in the only interaction I had with him, and pompous egotist, is also clearly head and shoulders above anyone else whom I've seen share opinions on the internet.
You could be a genius or an idiot, I really don't remember anything you have ever posted about horseplaying. This isn't a place where great horseplayers sit down and rack each others brains with interesting opinions. It's a hodge podge of a fan site with some horseplayers and some entertainment/killing time. It's a nice site for what it is and has some cool members. To be honest if my boarding moves in ANY direction here, it will probably involve replying more about At The Races, and involve with less threads in general.

WTF ?


You just posted a 72 on the idiot scale. Way down from your normal 128.


Something's wrong here........



Will the stewards please report to this thread at once.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

its funny, I love people who just throw statistics out there and have no source at all to back them up other than "its what I heard". 99.9%, I laughed at least.

My source is my own ears , my other source is the 100 diffirent jocks that I rode races with. I love people who type before they actually know what they are talking about , I laughed too.

[HaloWishingwell]

the bettors and owners who put money into these races want to hear an honest call of what is actually happening in the race. I don't care to hear strictly the actions of any one particular jockey or if Rosario is grabbing his nuts while whip is up his ass.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

About 3 pages ago, someone asked that question.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Honu

My source is my own ears , my other source is the 100 diffirent jocks that I rode races with. I love people who type before they actually know what they are talking about , I laughed too.

If you have ridden, great, qualify your post by stating its your own personal experience....my point, thought it missed you, was statistic are thrown around here and people actually take them at face value.

What happened in the 1 race out of a 1000 that you did hear the call?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

If you have ridden, great, qualify your post by stating its your own personal experience....my point, thought it missed you, was statistic are thrown around here and people actually take them at face value.

What happened in the 1 race out of a 1000 that you did hear the call?

I was about 12 in front at the 1/16th pole and there wasnt enough people in the grandstand to start a fight so I could hear the announcer loud and clear.

[Honu]

QUOTE=Bobby Fischer]having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.[/quote]






There jezus H crist , I didnt bring it up , someone else did .

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.

gossard, I am with you on calling the posting stewards...can we get a 7 day suspension or something for nonsense like this...

It's very possible for Stauffer to cross the line as an announcer. I am not saying he has blatantly done it or that he ever will, however, the potential is there for him to cross the line. As fans and patrons of this sport, we are expecting a neutral call of the races each day. Vic, having an interest in how Joel Rosario performs, certainly can be compromised in his role as track announcer. He needs to accurately call the race, and there definately is the potential in say a race like the 750K Hollywood Gold Cup, and let's say that Rosario is riding a horse who is head and head for the lead in the stretch with another horse, and there is bumping going on, or should Rosario's horse be potentially interfered with, and as I said, it's not about whether Vic has done or if he would do it because as a professional, I would hope that would not even be an issue, but don't tell me that there isn't the potential to embellish a call to the way of his jock in a big race, because let's say Rosario wins the Hollywood Gold Cup, winning horse gets 420K, Rosario gets 10% which is 42K, and if the jock agent gets let's say 10%, that's 4.2K for Vic. If Rosario comes in 2nd he gets 140K, Rosario gets 14K, and Vic gets 1.4K...you can't tell me that's not a big issue. No one is making allegations, just that there's clearly the potential for acts to occur because of the conflict of interest because of the positions that Vic holds.

[-BT-]

now it all makes sense, had no clue vic and joel were connected like that.

for the record i voted "yes"

vic is a great announcer, joel is a great jock. But i've never seen/heard a jock get so much pub. each and every ride he has from an announcer. it makes perfect sense that he's his agent now.

-bt-