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Actually 2010 is pretty important. Doh.
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07-24-2009, 09:35 PM
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And I'm glad they did. Especially the Health Billl.
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When I said "aren't they all?" I was reffering to professors. You're the one who wants to make it about race for some reason.
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07-25-2009, 06:01 PM
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LORI please read what the black cop and hispanic cop who were there on the scene said about the incident
I'm not saying it does nox exist(racial profiling) in the USA or Ocala FL , but, take a good hard look at what the minority po's said about why he was pulled in in the 1st place
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07-26-2009, 08:14 PM
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the policeman was called because someone thought a breaking/entering was occurring. of course he's going to ask for i.d. after being told 'i live here' by the possible perpetrator-you think cops don't hear that every day from folks who don't live there? probably no more often then they hear 'my speedometer must be off'.  at any rate, being on your own property doesn't mean you can make your own rules by any means-and i'd imagine if you stayed calm, handed over your i.d. so that the mean old cop would see you were telling the truth, then nothing would escalate.policemen deal with the dregs of society on a regular basis-if you did the same you might be just as cynical as they are. and keep in mind, usually the first person they encounter on a call, is the one they need to arrest. innocent bystanders, in general, don't have the cops called on them.
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As an ex-cop I can tell you that cops do all types of profiling, it's not just racial profiling, I think it's actually more socio-economical profiling. What I mean by that is, if you don't look like an upstanding citizen, look like you don't belong where you are or just look like a dirtbag, you're more likely to get stopped and talked to.
An example: I was patrolling a big city in California while on break-in (this was back in the early 90's) and drove past a two white guy talking outside a run down house. One was drinking a beer in the front yard of the house and the other was wearing jeans and a "wife beater" and straddling a 10-speed bike. I drove past and my training officer said, "don't you want to stop and talk with those guys?" I said no, why would I? His reply was "It's the middle of the day and this guys drinking beer outside, you've got probable cause (drinking in public). You want to talk to the guy on the bike, only reason a grown man rides a bike is if he's wearing those silly-ass tight shorts trying to be Greg LeMond (this was before Lance). Guy wearing jeans riding a bike means he doesn't have a car and probably doesn't have a license, so maybe he's got warrants. Maybe one of those guys has something (drugs, weapon) on him. If you're lucky, you'll be able to hook one of these guys." My reply to him was, "So, by your logic, if my father is sitting on his front step in Los Altos (an upper-middle class town), enjoying a glass of wine and chatting with his neighbor who just got back from a 20 mile bike ride, he too could get stopped and questioned by the cops." My training officer replied, "No, you stop the ones you can arrest, not the ones that will complain to the department". I'm not saying that this is right or even the approach of many cops, but this was just one of several instances like this where I was directed or trained to stop someone based upon how they looked. If they look like they didn't belonged where I saw them or if they looked like a "dirtbag" that I could arrest, I stopped them. So, being "Black in America" isn't really the crime, being "suspicious and verbally combative" is what will get you arrested... but so will being a white guy driving through a Hispanic neighborhood known for drug activity. Innocent folks aren't generally verbally combative with the cops, they're usually a little nervous and embarrassed and try to comply with the cops so they can get out of there as soon as possible. Soon as you start mouthing off to a cop, you can expect that you will lose control of the situation. Not many folks can win an argument with a cop out in the field, cops just aren't wired that way.
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If a neighbor reports hearing yelling or screaming coming from a house and there could be something going on there such as a domestic disturbance, an altercation, etc. then the police have the right to enter the house and investigate. If a neighbor thinks they saw someone breaking into a house, the police have the right to go and investigate. They don't just have the right to investigate, they have a duty to investigate. That's their job. Their investigation involves going to the house and interviewing the occupants to find out what is going on. If the occupants are belligerent or uncooperative and are impeding the investigation, then the police have every right to arrest them. If the occupants are cooperative and the police determine that no crime has been committed, then there won't be any problem and the police will leave.
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07-27-2009, 05:09 AM
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Their investigation involves going to the house and interviewing the occupants to find out what is going on. If the occupants are belligerent or uncooperative and are impeding the investigation, then the police have every right to arrest them. If the occupants are cooperative and the police determine that no crime has been committed, then there won't be any problem and the police will leave.[/quote] A very fine line here when you use uncooperative and beligerant in the same sentence in this context. If a cop shows up in my home uninvited and starts to agressively interogate me in my home for little probable cause then I have every right to remain silent to his inquires, if that's belligerent then I would be guilty of such. No citizen is under any obligation to answer any policeman's questions. He has the choice to have the conversation at the station house in the presence of an officer of the court or his/her lawyer. It certainly would look far different if this conversation took place in a dark bank at 300 AM but in my house without an invitation the police need to show probable cause for entry, especially without a warrant. I have yet to read or hear a solid argument for why the police were really there. None of us were actually there so certainly we are all choosing to interpret what we think went on with our own biases but if our homes offer no refuge from unnecessary persecution what country has this become?
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If a cop shows up in my home uninvited and starts to agressively interogate me in my home for little probable cause then I have every right to remain silent to his inquires, if that's belligerent then I would be guilty of such. No citizen is under any obligation to answer any policeman's questions. He has the choice to have the conversation at the station house in the presence of an officer of the court or his/her lawyer. It certainly would look far different if this conversation took place in a dark bank at 300 AM but in my house without an invitation the police need to show probable cause for entry, especially without a warrant. I have yet to read or hear a solid argument for why the police were really there. None of us were actually there so certainly we are all choosing to interpret what we think went on with our own biases but if our homes offer no refuge from unnecessary persecution what country has this become?[/quote] from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?
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from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?[/QUOTE] the 911 caller said it looked as though someone was breaking into the house , the caller did not say black or white to the 911 dispatcher
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