Does Mine That Bird Win Again?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Mine that bird ran a nice derby and preakness against an awful crop. He ran a nice race against rachel but he wasnt beating her that day.

His last two races were very average and he was beaten by horses that arent too special.

Still, his ability is enough to be competitive in many stakes in this day.

I don't agree that the crop is awful.. I would say its an average crop

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boswd

we don't know the second season has just started, have no clue what the future holds.

I think FC had a nice solid career but it was spotty. And if I had a nickel for everytime someone on this board and others put a fork in him and such I'd be rich.

FC after the TC races never put together that Champion like string of winning Major GI's after GI's after GI's ala a Cigar, Invasor etc. He would lose quite a few, then all of a sudden grab a nice win, lose a few more and then grab a win.

What I'm trying to say with MTB is he seems to have that air about him that Funny Cide had. Everyone is ready to write off MTB and put a fork in him.
All I'm trying to say is it is way too early for that. Let's see how he performs in the Traver's and go from there.

Champion like string of winning maor G1's after major grade 1's ala....INVASOR?

LOL all three of them.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I don't agree that the crop is awful.. I would say its an average crop

Hmmmm. the fields in the classics this year were awful.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Champion like string of winning maor G1's after major grade 1's ala....INVASOR?

LOL all three of them.

Invasor's Career


02/03/07 $500K Donn H. Gulfstream Park 1 1
11/04/06 $5M Breeders' Cup Classic Powered by Dodge Churchill Downs 1 1
08/05/06 $750K Whitney H. Saratoga 1 1
07/01/06 $400K Suburban H. Belmont Park 1 1
05/19/06 $500K Pimlico Special H. Pimlico 1 1
03/25/06 $2M UAE Derby 4
11/13/05 $76.3K GP Nacional Uruguayan Derby Maronas 1
10/09/05 $56.7K GP Jockey Club Maronas 1
09/10/05 $37.3K GP Polla Potrls Uru 2000 Gns Maronas 1
08/07/05 $14.8K Cl Ensayo Maronas 1
02/27/05 $5K Lapsang Maronas 1


and that list does not include his Dubai Classic Win which was right before his '07 Donn making it 6 straight Grade I's (yes I know Dubai is isn't graded but it is one of the Biggest races in the world)

If that is not impressive than you are a tough person to impress.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by boswd

Invasor's Career


02/03/07 $500K Donn H. Gulfstream Park 1 1
11/04/06 $5M Breeders' Cup Classic Powered by Dodge Churchill Downs 1 1
08/05/06 $750K Whitney H. Saratoga 1 1
07/01/06 $400K Suburban H. Belmont Park 1 1
05/19/06 $500K Pimlico Special H. Pimlico 1 1
03/25/06 $2M UAE Derby 4
11/13/05 $76.3K GP Nacional Uruguayan Derby Maronas 1
10/09/05 $56.7K GP Jockey Club Maronas 1
09/10/05 $37.3K GP Polla Potrls Uru 2000 Gns Maronas 1
08/07/05 $14.8K Cl Ensayo Maronas 1
02/27/05 $5K Lapsang Maronas 1


and that list does not include his Dubai Classic Win.

If that is not impressive than you are a tough person to impress.

Ask her about Mineshaft!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boswd

Invasor's Career


02/03/07 $500K Donn H. Gulfstream Park 1 1
11/04/06 $5M Breeders' Cup Classic Powered by Dodge Churchill Downs 1 1
08/05/06 $750K Whitney H. Saratoga 1 1
07/01/06 $400K Suburban H. Belmont Park 1 1
05/19/06 $500K Pimlico Special H. Pimlico 1 1
03/25/06 $2M UAE Derby 4
11/13/05 $76.3K GP Nacional Uruguayan Derby Maronas 1
10/09/05 $56.7K GP Jockey Club Maronas 1
09/10/05 $37.3K GP Polla Potrls Uru 2000 Gns Maronas 1
08/07/05 $14.8K Cl Ensayo Maronas 1
02/27/05 $5K Lapsang Maronas 1


and that list does not include his Dubai Classic Win.

If that is not impressive than you are a tough person to impress.

Invasor was a nice horse who had a nice career. You said "string of consecutive grade 1's" and he won THREE in a row. Nice, but nothing in the context of history and some of the great horses that put together multi year runs. Invasor lasted at the top less than ONE YEAR. Heck it was like 9 months.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think Munnings is a fast G1 quality sprinter.. Rachel crushes fields.. The Haskel will come back with a very big BSF. I have nothing against Mine That Bird at all.. He is certainly a honest horse and his trainer isn't exactly HOF material..

I'm not suggesting that she's not a special filly, but isn't everyone getting a bit carried away? Putting today's race in context, she had exactly two horses to beat. The first was Munnings, a legitimate sprinter with whom Pletcher was taking a shot by running in a stallion-making race on a typically speed-favoring oval. When the rains came, Pletcher didn't get the track he was looking for, and over which Munnings was not likely to carry his speed 9F (and it will now be back to the original plan and the King's Bishop).

The second horse to beat was Summer Bird, who received a highly questionable ride from Desormeaux. Not only did Desormeaux take this horse out of his normal style of running, but he rushed up on the worst part of the race track. Off that trip, he'll be tough in the Travers, but he had no shot today.

Rachel got a perfect stalking trip on the best part of the race track. Since most media types declared that, if she won the Haskell (a premise that I don't agree with), she'd lock up HOY, I'm now sure that her connections will take the path of least resistance. I'd bet that she has two more races this year: the Personal Ensign and Beldame.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm not suggesting that she's not a special filly, but isn't everyone getting a bit carried away? Putting today's race in context, she had exactly two horses to beat. The first was Munnings, a legitimate sprinter with whom Pletcher was taking a shot by running in a stallion-making race on a typically speed-favoring oval. When the rains came, Pletcher didn't get the track he was looking for, and over which Munnings was not likely to carry his speed 9F (and it will now be back to the original plan and the King's Bishop).

The second horse to beat was Summer Bird, who received a highly questionable ride from Desormeaux. Not only did Desormeaux take this horse out of his normal style of running, but he rushed up on the worst part of the race track. Off that trip, he'll be tough in the Travers, but he had no shot today.

Rachel got a perfect stalking trip on the best part of the race track. Since most media types declared that, if she won the Haskell (a premise that I don't agree with), she'd lock up HOY, I'm now sure that her connections will take the path of least resistance. I'd bet that she has two more races this year: the Personal Ensign and Beldame.

Do you really think KD's ride affected the placings of the top two? Summer Bird was running second either way regardless of tactics.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Invasor was a nice horse who had a nice career. You said "string of consecutive grade 1's" and he won THREE in a row. Nice, but nothing in the context of history and some of the great horses that put together multi year runs. Invasor lasted at the top less than ONE YEAR. Heck it was like 9 months.

He won six in a row.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Mine that bird ran a nice derby and preakness against an awful crop. He ran a nice race against rachel but he wasnt beating her that day.

His last two races were very average and he was beaten by horses that arent too special.

Still, his ability is enough to be competitive in many stakes in this day.

This crop is far from awful, especially in light of the class of 2008.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Do you really think KD's ride affected the placings of the top two? Summer Bird was running second either way regardless of tactics.

Probably not, but that was one bad ride. The final margin would have likely been different. As it was, Summer Bird had to win a stetch-long duel with Munnings to get second.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He won six in a row.

grade 1's?

[boswd]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Invasor was a nice horse who had a nice career. You said "string of consecutive grade 1's" and he won THREE in a row. Nice, but nothing in the context of history and some of the great horses that put together multi year runs. Invasor lasted at the top less than ONE YEAR. Heck it was like 9 months.

his Pim, Sub, Whit, BCC, Dubai, Donn were all in a row, he went from Spring of 06 all the way to late Winter of 07 without a loss and raced in the biggest races. Those are 6 straight wins. no losses in between etc. 6 straight wins

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by philcski

This crop is far from awful, especially in light of the class of 2008.

Im talking about what was in the gate in the preakness and the derby.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boswd

his Pim, Sub, Whit, BCC, Dubai, Donn were all in a row, he went from Spring of 06 all the way to late Winter of 07 without a loss and raced in the biggest races. Those are 6 straight wins. no losses in between etc. 6 straight wins

You said grade 1's. Those races arent all grade 1.

Late winter 2007? LOL. He lasted about 9 months.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

grade 1's?

5 of them were and the Dubai Classic isn't graded but it's THE richest race in the world and attracts the best. So yeah 6

[boswd]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You said grade 1's. Those races arent all grade 1.

Yes they are

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You said grade 1's. Those races arent all grade 1.

yeah they are

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Probably not, but that was one bad ride. The final margin would have likely been different. As it was, Summer Bird had to win a stetch-long duel with Munnings to get second.

So you think he should have taken way off the pace and closed into what would have been pretty soft fractions on that track?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm not suggesting that she's not a special filly, but isn't everyone getting a bit carried away? Putting today's race in context, she had exactly two horses to beat. The first was Munnings, a legitimate sprinter with whom Pletcher was taking a shot by running in a stallion-making race on a typically speed-favoring oval. When the rains came, Pletcher didn't get the track he was looking for, and over which Munnings was not likely to carry his speed 9F (and it will now be back to the original plan and the King's Bishop).

The second horse to beat was Summer Bird, who received a highly questionable ride from Desormeaux. Not only did Desormeaux take this horse out of his normal style of running, but he rushed up on the worst part of the race track. Off that trip, he'll be tough in the Travers, but he had no shot today.

Rachel got a perfect stalking trip on the best part of the race track. Since most media types declared that, if she won the Haskell (a premise that I don't agree with), she'd lock up HOY, I'm now sure that her connections will take the path of least resistance. I'd bet that she has two more races this year: the Personal Ensign and Beldame.

Paralysis by analysis... she ran a mile in 1:34 1/5 without urging when the other stakes mile splits were 1:37 1/5, 1:37 1/5, 1:37 4/5, 1:36 3/5, and 1:36 3/5. It was another incredible performance from the best horse in the world.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So you think he should have taken way off the pace and closed into what would have been pretty soft fractions on that track?

Those were wicked fractions. Check the other races on the card. Summer Bird was running second either way, he's probably the #2 or #3 horse in this crop anyways...