The sad cost of war

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I think a good portion of troops and probably the majority signed on for reasons other than patriotism or just wantng to be a soilder. They wanted an education or specialized training in a trade. Very few signed on for a career in the military. IMO. When the realty hits they are being shipped off they can't handle the fear. Or while in war they need an easy way out.

Ultimately though I feel it's a disrespect of life that is fueling the increase of suicides across the board. That and selfishness for not thinking of the loved ones left behind to pick up the pieces.

That and too many people being on under supervised anti-depressants that doctors hand out left and right.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So the it is now a good thing for the govt to develop a list of private citizens who oppose the sitting President by the current President.

LOL - that's not happening.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - that's not happening.

Why is that? Because they said so? You dont think that the people who write things deemed "lies" by the Obama-ites wont be noted? Why else would they want that info?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why is that? Because they said so? You dont think that the people who write things deemed "lies" by the Obama-ites wont be noted? Why else would they want that info?

Good luck with the fear and paranoia.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Good luck with the fear and paranoia.

Good luck with reality

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The system we have isnt great, the govt system will be worse.

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Good luck with reality

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

If you think people are getting "the slow treatment" now, wait till the new system starts. If the new system is anything like the systems in most other countries with socialized medicine, the wait time will increase by about 5x.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

It will be worse.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you think people are getting "the slow treatment" now, wait till the new system starts. If the new system is anything like the systems in most other countries with socialized medicine, the wait time will increase by about 5x.

Rupert

you are am optimist. When I worked at the VA it took 2-3 months to do what I can now do in private practice in 2-3 days.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Good luck with reality

Yes, the reality is that the information being fear-mongered by a few (that names, ISP's, etc will be placed on an "Enemies" list) isn't even being asked for on the website in question <g>

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you think people are getting "the slow treatment" now, wait till the new system starts. If the new system is anything like the systems in most other countries with socialized medicine, the wait time will increase by about 5x.

Then you should be glad that, if it passes, you can keep your regular doctor, hospital, insurance company, etc. and not have to be involved in it at all.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then you should be glad that, if it passes, you can keep your regular doctor, hospital, insurance company, etc. and not have to be involved in it at all.

We won't have a choice if we end up with the single-payer system. Obama claims that he is not in favor of a single-payer system. Yet back in 2003, he said a single-payer system was the ultimate goal.

This new plan will probably be the beginning of the end of private insurance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...olution-obama/

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then you should be glad that, if it passes, you can keep your regular doctor, hospital, insurance company, etc. and not have to be involved in it at all.

That is until they are forced out of business. They will now have to compete with a heavily subsided plan funded by tax payers. In the end it will be a gov run mess. The good news for older Americans is that they plan to equalize the risk..meaning that the younger people will pay a heavier burden than older people relative to their probable illness factor ....so if you are older rejoice and thank your younger brethren for paying your disproportionate way.


Riot let me be the first to thank you!

[Riot]

Fox News hasn't demonstrated much accuracy to me in relaying the content of the various health care bill permutations working their way through committee. The falsehoods and misassumptions are rampant.

Private insurance companies will not go anywhere unless people who use private insurance companies choose to no longer use them.

The health care bill is intended to cover only a [relatively] small amount of Americans.

I find it strange that many of the most publically rabid opponents of any health care bill are not consistent in their beliefs, and are not campaigning in favor of eliminating all government-run "socialist" medicine, such as Medicare, Medicade, and the Veterans programs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Fox News hasn't demonstrated much accuracy to me in relaying the content of the various health care bill permutations working their way through committee. The falsehoods and misassumptions are rampant.

Private insurance companies will not go anywhere unless people who use private insurance companies choose to no longer use them.

The health care bill is intended to cover only a [relatively] small amount of Americans.

I find it strange that many of the most publically rabid opponents of any health care bill are not consistent in their beliefs, and are not campaigning in favor of eliminating all government-run "socialist" medicine, such as Medicare, Medicade, and the Veterans programs.

For a supposedly business friendly Republican you take an awful lot of anti-business stances. For a program that is only "intended to cover a small amount of Americans", a few trillion is pretty hefty price no?

The idea that anyone who doesnt agree with the policy coming down from the mountaintop is spreading falsehoods and lies is ironic. The fact is that this is going to be exactly what it looks like, a huge boondoggle that eats up everything along the way and becomes so large that it simply exists to live and lives to exist. This is just another part of a radical agenda. The fact that Medicare and Medicade are so screwed up and inefficent should be warning enough that this **** they are trying to squeeze through will be miles worse. Not to mention the negative effect it will have on American small business which as usual will be forced to carry an unfair burden.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Couldn't be worse. I have a friend (with insurance) that's been having stomach trouble for a couple months. He got the slow treatment from his doctor(scheduled a lower G.I. for August 12th.) So, it finally got bad enough one night that he went to E.R. on July 25th, and got a Catscan of his midsection done. The money that insurance company execs. n' lawyers are now getting needs to be used for health care. Either that, or don't you dare get sick.

That has absolutely nothing to do with insurance and everything to do with the doctor's schedule. And really your friend needs to go wash his p.ussy because a large number of G.I. problems are compounded by the mental aspect of pain.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That has absolutely nothing to do with insurance and everything to do with the doctor's schedule. And really your friend needs to go wash his p.ussy because a large number of G.I. problems are compounded by the mental aspect of pain.

LOL...That's great. Libertarian types have all the simple solutions to difficult problems (too bad that people ignore their obvious brilliance.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is just another part of a radical agenda.

Radical? So, most civilized countries in the world are radical? Let me tell you something about this country that is radical. We are way out of the norm as far as immigration goes. We are radical on that. There is no excuse for it. Other countries do not just let anybody come there n' play house as long as they'd like to stay. This Health Care stuff is not radical. It's the same shared risk stuff that most other countries think is the right thing to do. This is not cutting edge "radical" stuff, but this is exactly how things get turned around by the self-centered folks in our society. We voted on this. That's a huge part of what that election was about. Seems like Conservatives thought the guy was just kiding. Why didn't you people work like dogs when we had the Presidential Election? You knew he wanted to get everyone insured. He won. This is like children having a fit when they have to actually walk the dog that they so convincingly promised to take care of. You don't have any solutions to this problem. None. There is a big problem. Your party has ignored it, and only comes alive to fight a solution you don't agree with. That's simply not an answer to the problem. The real reason you couldn't win that election is you had a candidate who only knows how to lead resistance. People need solutions. He was a big fat zero at coming up with solutions to problems. 90%of what you Conservative folks write on here is fighting someone's idea of how to solve a problem. Very little solutions are ever brought up by Conservatives. Tax breaks for the rich ain't the ointment to solve these health care problems. It just isn't. What should of been done by Republicans in Congress is to get something you want from the President. Demand he throw every tool possible at stoping illegal immigration. That seems a reasonable demand (since it's Americans that should be getting insured...not some kid that somebody illegally jumped a wall to have born here.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He's gunna have to grow a set, and attach it to a budget bill (so that it can pass under budget reconciliation rules.) Enough with the Kumbaya bullshit. They've got filthy lobbying money from insurance companies contaminating the whole issue. So, if reconciliation is ugly, then fine. All they ever want is war. They understand ugly. They only understand force n' power. So be it. Just do it. They don't want to negotiate. When you get done, punish that Blue-Dog Bitch from Lousiana. She's a crook like her Daddy.