Zenyetta vs Racheal - Page 3

the_fat_man · #41 08-11-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

If Rachel was in the race yesterday, she'd win geared down by 5 minimum.

Could be true. But her connections are much too stupid to run her as they don't realize that she, unlike Curlin, has the speed to be able to control the race. And I don't mean WIDE, NO COVER kind of speed. Anyone with an on-the-pacer that's not drafting on the POLY is a MORON. Cf. 90% of the connections up at WO.

Then again, when a horse dictates race type in EVERY ONE of over 10 starts, I need to see it LOSE before I concede anything to anyone. I need to see RA run FAST early on the lead, on the POLY and continue on to the wire before I take anything away from Z. Jackson is just playing it safe.

the_fat_man · #42 08-11-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by boswd

I agree, I too am looking forward to MTB in The Travers. Has taken to the track really well, loves his new surrourndings, had a really nice work out today.
He's been flying under the radar,of sorts. I look for a huge effort on the 29th.

Hard to believe that I haven't read anywhere that MTB didn't really like the track last out. How do I know? he looks like a mountain climber in the run to, and through, the 1st turn.

Arletta · #43 08-11-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hard to believe that I haven't read anywhere that MTB didn't really like the track last out. How do I know? he looks like a mountain climber in the run to, and through, the 1st turn.

I noticed that too.. Seemed to level out by the back stretch though.

santana · #44 08-11-2009, 08:45 AM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/6567868.html...

This guy knows how to Advertise....

Danzig · #45 08-11-2009, 08:49 AM

perhaps instead of engaging in fruitless debate (sounds like dems vs reps in here) everyone should just enjoy each horse for what it has accomplished. each side accusing the other of taking on 'bad' horses....lol zenyatta is attempting to go undefeated, rachel is running an original campaign. knocking one doesn't elevate the other. if they meet, great. if they don't, they don't. doesn't mean either one suddenly isn't as good as originally thought.

NTamm1215 · #46 08-11-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by santana

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/6567868.html...

This guy knows how to Advertise....

You've got that right. He has been on a marketing bonanza since his warehouse burned down in May. Obviously, even if it doesn't work out (and it's 99,999-1 to work out) he will get his name out there a little bit more. His point about SHRP having the best dirt track in America is a bona fide fact. It is the safest surface around.

NT

Travis Stone · #47 08-11-2009, 09:15 AM

His proposal has legs, but it needs to be a regular horse race because Zenyatta has zero shot letting Rachel Alexandra walk around on the lead by herself.

King Glorious · #48 08-11-2009, 10:02 AM

Anyone catch the article in tomorrow's form about Zenyatta? Shirreffs says "if they are going to decide HOY, I would hope it could be settled at the Breeders' Cup. If it isn't, and we think we have the opportunity to win it, then we'll have to go travel after the Breeders' Cup."

While it's encouraging to hear that, is it just empty talk? Does anyone believe that they would do that? Would it even make sense to train your horse to peak for the BC and then try to bring them back for another race afterwards? Is it just talk because they know that Rachel's season would likely be over already?

Sightseek · #49 08-11-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Anyone catch the article in tomorrow's form about Zenyatta? Shirreffs says "if they are going to decide HOY, I would hope it could be settled at the Breeders' Cup. If it isn't, and we think we have the opportunity to win it, then we'll have to go travel after the Breeders' Cup."

While it's encouraging to hear that, is it just empty talk? Does anyone believe that they would do that? Would it even make sense to train your horse to peak for the BC and then try to bring them back for another race afterwards? Is it just talk because they know that Rachel's season would likely be over already?

I don't believe it and it became clear on Sunday why they are not doing anything but "business as usual" with her.

Smooth Operator · #50 08-11-2009, 10:13 AM

LOL ... keep dissing the undefeated champion Street Cry mare at your own peril.

Wouldn't be surprised if RA ends up in Philly ... taking on another assortment of 3yo creampuffs.

Doubt if they want any part of QR ... or ten panels, for that matter, at the Spa.

Would love to see some old slug expose her in the Woodward, tho…

Sightseek · #51 08-11-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

LOL ... keep dissing the undefeated champion Street Cry mare at your own peril.

Wouldn't be surprised if RA ends up in Philly ... taking on another assortment of 3yo creampuffs.

Doubt if they want any part of QR ... or ten panels, for that matter, at the Spa.

Would love to see some old slug expose her in the Woodward, tho…

As opposed to older mare creampuffs?

NTamm1215 · #52 08-11-2009, 10:18 AM

All of this stupidity could be scaled back if they'd just run Zenyatta in the Pacific Classic...what the hell is wrong with running her there? Are most of you really thinking that Rail Trip is that good? If Zenyatta is who everyone on the west coast wants her to be she should beat Rail Trip rather easily.

Now we have Rachel Alexandra being chastised for not running 10 furlongs?!? I went through the PPs for hours and couldn't find Zenyatta's last 10 furlong effort.

NT

Sightseek · #53 08-11-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

All of this stupidity could be scaled back if they'd just run Zenyatta in the Pacific Classic...what the hell is wrong with running her there? Are most of you really thinking that Rail Trip is that good? If Zenyatta is who everyone on the west coast wants her to be she should beat Rail Trip rather easily.

Now we have Rachel Alexandra being chastised for not running 10 furlongs?!? I went through the PPs for hours and couldn't find Zenyatta's last 10 furlong effort.

NT

Personally I think it's brilliant when someone points out that Rachel might be making her 8th start on a 7th diffrent track in a year to point out her "weakness".

Zenyatta is a lovely horse, but I don't know how you can argue that she is having a better year than Rachel.

SniperSB23 · #54 08-11-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

It doesnt matter if she travelled or not. If Zenyatta beat older males in the BC Classic, it would trump anything that Rachel did the entire year.

Not a chance.

CSC · #55 08-11-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

All of this stupidity could be scaled back if they'd just run Zenyatta in the Pacific Classic...what the hell is wrong with running her there? Are most of you really thinking that Rail Trip is that good? If Zenyatta is who everyone on the west coast wants her to be she should beat Rail Trip rather easily.

Now we have Rachel Alexandra being chastised for not running 10 furlongs?!? I went through the PPs for hours and couldn't find Zenyatta's last 10 furlong effort.

NT

Would it be too much to ask them to run twice nevermind once, if they could meet once on dirt, once on synthetic. It seems to me that this is the fairest compromise, if RA's connections are worried that RA may not take to synth this will atleast allow her a chance to redeem herself on dirt if she runs badly. We atleast know Zenyatti can run on both. I'd rather her race against RA than race in The Pacific Classic.

The Indomitable DrugS · #56 08-11-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

All of this stupidity could be scaled back if they'd just run Zenyatta in the Pacific Classic...what the hell is wrong with running her there? Are most of you really thinking that Rail Trip is that good? If Zenyatta is who everyone on the west coast wants her to be she should beat Rail Trip rather easily.

Rail Trip would beat Zenyatta on either dirt or cushion track.

Polytrack is like bingo... and pro-ride can be wildly closer favoring.

Pro Ride is the absolute worst surface for RA style wise - and going a 10f distance for Asmussen would make her an extremely exciting bet if you could get action on who will run last.

NTamm1215 · #57 08-11-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rail Trip would beat Zenyatta on either dirt or cushion track.

Polytrack is like bingo... and pro-ride can be wildly closer favoring.

Pro Ride is the absolute worst surface for RA style wise - and going a 10f distance for Asmussen would make her an extremely exciting bet if you could get action on who will run last.

Exactly, which is why they should run her in the PC. Ron Ellis said on TVG that Rail Trip did not pick up the Poly at Del Mar very well in his first workout but "seemed to be taking a liking to it now." I think she fits very well against him on Poly or Pro-Ride.

NT

10 pnt move up · #58 08-11-2009, 11:16 AM

From what I understand the owners of the horse are to the point of not wanting to do anything different with their horse, the endless questions and seemingly condemnation over how they are handling their business is creating almost a desire to just let it play out, a kind of it is what it is deal.

cmorioles · #59 08-11-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

From what I understand the owners of the horse are to the point of not wanting to do anything different with their horse, the endless questions and seemingly condemnation over how they are handling their business is creating almost a desire to just let it play out, a kind of it is what it is deal.

Just another excuse.

NTamm1215 · #60 08-11-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

From what I understand the owners of the horse are to the point of not wanting to do anything different with their horse, the endless questions and seemingly condemnation over how they are handling their business is creating almost a desire to just let it play out, a kind of it is what it is deal.

If it's their prerogative to go the route of Lady's Secret-Ladies' Classic and done for her career that's fine, they just better not b.itch when she doesn't win HOTY.

NT