Mattress Mack - 2 milly for Rachel/Zenyatta...AT SAM HOUSTON!! - Page 3

Danzig · #41 08-11-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no issue with them keeping her record clean as long as they rep that they never wished to face horses that Zenyatta would lose to..Mind you I am a Huge Zenyatta fan.. I really am an enormous fan of her's

i'm a fan of hers as well; i like both of them.

the only issue i had last year, and would have this year if they do it again, is when the mosses and shirreffs lobbied for HOY. yeah, zenyatta was undefeated, and put on some amazing performances. but it wasn't enough, and a repeat campaign won't be enough this year.

Danzig · #42 08-11-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

lol Jess Jackson should have front men offering $2 Million match races at b-level tracks every few days or so, now that Moss has decided to be conservative.

jackson is no dummy; unless calvin was unseated at the start or the gate didn't open, rachel would win a match race. it would be far from a definitive win tho, much like most match races.

10 pnt move up · #43 08-11-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

From what insiders are saying the Clark is a very real possiblity.

if it is two weeks after the BC as someone stated I dont see how thats possible, but yea that would be fun to see.

dellinger63 · #44 08-11-2009, 10:52 PM

$10 million side bet for each owner? Winner take all loser wears a dunce cap!

NTamm1215 · #45 08-11-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

if it is two weeks after the BC as someone stated I dont see how thats possible, but yea that would be fun to see.

It's actually 20 days after but that's still likely to be too close.

NT

Cannon Shell · #46 08-11-2009, 11:38 PM

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

letswastemoney · #47 08-12-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

That would be a perfect race for Zenyatta. It's G1, so it would add to Zenyatta's case for HOY. It serves as a prep for the BC. And it would allow her to settle the RA vs Zenyatta question in a field of horses, rather than a match race.

letswastemoney · #48 08-12-2009, 01:51 AM

But I realize Zenyatta probably isn't even nominated

Danzig · #49 08-12-2009, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

is that your opinion, or you've heard that's what they decided? i read yesterday they'd nominated her to five races, but hadn't chosen one yet.

as for zenyatta, shireffs said 'why ship...' when someone asked him. he said it would be silly at this point in the year with the bc coming up soon.

freddymo · #50 08-12-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

If you are going to go 10f's why not the Alabama the week before.Plus there is that all important extra 200k in purse money. Perhaps its the extra week, maybe they want to add older mares to the resume or maybe the race sets her for the Beldame better? What's the difference at this point. If Zenyatta was in the race she would still be 3/5.

Sherriffs took a supstar mare out of Ca. once. I really think that is a shame.

Cannon Shell · #51 08-12-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

is that your opinion, or you've heard that's what they decided? i read yesterday they'd nominated her to five races, but hadn't chosen one yet.

as for zenyatta, shireffs said 'why ship...' when someone asked him. he said it would be silly at this point in the year with the bc coming up soon.

not my opinion

Slewbopper · #52 08-12-2009, 07:58 AM

If Z shipped east, the only sensible race would be the Woodward...4 weeks after her last. The PE would only be three weeks....

As for Rachel in the Bama, it would be three weeks after the Haskell. Too soon in this age of pantywaists. The Woodward makes the most sense to me. I doubt Jack/Ass want to have both her and Kensei in the Travers.

SniperSB23 · #53 08-12-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

as for zenyatta, shireffs said 'why ship...' when someone asked him. he said it would be silly at this point in the year with the bc coming up soon.

Except that up until the day of the Mother Goose he was planning on shipping Zenyatta out to take on Rachel. Then suddenly the "Giacomo hates the detention barn" excuse came out after Rachel romped in 1:46 and change.

10 pnt move up · #54 08-12-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

If you are going to go 10f's why not the Alabama the week before.Plus there is that all important extra 200k in purse money. Perhaps its the extra week, maybe they want to add older mares to the resume or maybe the race sets her for the Beldame better? What's the difference at this point. If Zenyatta was in the race she would still be 3/5.

Sherriffs took a supstar mare out of Ca. once. I really think that is a shame.

agree freddy, the alabama to me would be much more of a gaol as an owner.

How did Shirreff's last really good filly ship into Saratoga?

The Indomitable DrugS · #55 08-12-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

How did Shirreff's last really good filly ship into Saratoga?

Manistique got KILLED all three times she left Southern California .. once at Saratoga, once at Oaklawn, and once at Gulfstream.

She was 12-11-1-0 with 9 Graded Stakes wins in Southern California. As well as an 11 length MSW with a 110 Beyer figure in her debut - and a 10 length allowance 2nd time out.

Just because Manistique was awesome in Southern Cal and a big huge monster looking dog biscuit outside of Southern Cal .. doesn't mean that Zenyatta has to be as well. In fact, Zenyatta already proved she can ship when she won the Apple Blossom .. albeit in slower fashion than Tiago on that card.

10 pnt move up · #56 08-12-2009, 11:58 AM

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Manistique got KILLED all three times she left Southern California .. once at Saratoga, once at Oaklawn, and once at Gulfstream.

She was 12-11-1-0 with 9 Graded Stakes wins in Southern California. As well as an 11 length MSW with a 110 Beyer figure in her debut - and a 10 length allowance 2nd time out.

Just because Manistique was awesome in Southern Cal and a big huge monster looking dog biscuit outside of Southern Cal .. doesn't mean that Zenyatta has to be as well. In fact, Zenyatta already proved she can ship when she won the Apple Blossom .. albeit in slower fashion than Tiago on that card.

Socal horses cant win on the road, you know that.

boswd · #57 08-12-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

That would be a perfect race for Zenyatta. It's G1, so it would add to Zenyatta's case for HOY. It serves as a prep for the BC. And it would allow her to settle the RA vs Zenyatta question in a field of horses, rather than a match race.

You would think Shirriffs copt out is he doesn't like the detention barns they have in NY. He's a joke, he really is.

boswd · #58 08-12-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

If you are going to go 10f's why not the Alabama the week before.Plus there is that all important extra 200k in purse money. Perhaps its the extra week, maybe they want to add older mares to the resume or maybe the race sets her for the Beldame better? What's the difference at this point. If Zenyatta was in the race she would still be 3/5.

Sherriffs took a supstar mare out of Ca. once. I really think that is a shame.

I wouldn't criticize that move at all. RA just won a very big race, The Alabama would allow her to stretch out to 1 1/4 without any threats, She grabs a very Prestigous Race in what would be a $450,000 public workout.

They would then know where she stands at a 1 1/4 and look forward to the Beldame or the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

Personally I want to see her in The Travers but if they went to the Alabama, that actually would be not a bad decision.

Smooth Operator · #59 08-12-2009, 12:14 PM

Any decent mares at Toga?

RA might be vulnerable at that 10f distance. Little Birdie was coming at her at the end of the 9.5f Preakness ... and the old man (d’Oro) was better going nine panels.

Would love to see some old goat get to her in the Ensign...

The Indomitable DrugS · #60 08-12-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Socal horses cant win on the road, you know that.

For every Manistique, Lava Man, Rock Hard Ten ... there is one who actually moved up quite a bit coming East.

As far as sprinters go - for a long time it was the rule they'd move up rather than the exception. As far as turf horses go, it was more the exception than the rule.

Now that they have synthetic tracks out there ... you get the horses who come off of them and run one .. occasionally two ridiculious huge races on dirt .. and all of a sudden the "synthetic bounce" seems to ruin them. Or so Jerry Brown says.

Springside, Tough Tiz's Sis, Well Armed, Black Seventeen, I Want Revenge, etc.

And no, Pioneer Ofthe Nile doesn't qualify .. his 2nd in the Derby was hardly a big effort .. but he did call it a career after his next one.