Biancone Returns to New York - Page 3

Danzig · #41 08-20-2009, 08:55 PM

considering how many times biancone has had issues, and how many jurisdictions don't welcome him, i don't agree that he should be able to train away. how many times does someone get to do their time only to come back and do it all again-til they get caught again?

as for the logic that others do drugs, so why get on biancone...when you catch them, you ban them. the more you catch and kick out, the less you have doing the same. hell, are the cops supposed to quit arresting people because there are others breaking the law?

RockHardTen1985 · #42 08-20-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

considering how many times biancone has had issues, and how many jurisdictions don't welcome him, i don't agree that he should be able to train away. how many times does someone get to do their time only to come back and do it all again-til they get caught again?

as for the logic that others do drugs, so why get on biancone...when you catch them, you ban them. the more you catch and kick out, the less you have doing the same. hell, are the cops supposed to quit arresting people because there are others breaking the law?

The rules are the rules, law is the law. He was out of the game for 1 year. He lost a lot of money and top horses. The one's I can remember off the top of my head.... Lady Of Venice, Slews Tiznow, and Ball Four. There are many many more. He did the time for his crime, and I embrace him being back.

Danzig · #43 08-20-2009, 09:07 PM

i'm well aware of the horses he had, and the length of the suspension. my contention is that the length of his suspension wasn't long enough, and that there should be more serious consequences for rules violations such as having cobra venom.
the vet got several years, four or five-biancone should have gotten the same, or even longer, considering his history. he's a repeat offender.a year is a joke, especially considering what they were caught with. and give me a break about 'maybe they weren't using it'. anyone thinking someone is going to own and possess something like that, but not really use it is beyond naive.

the racing boards really need to have more stringent rules and tougher punishments when someone is a multiple offender. perhaps we should also extend our reciprocity from north america to world wide, then clowns like biancone wouldn't be able to train here.

he was gone a year, did anyone notice anything lacking due to his absence?

Left Bank · #44 08-20-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm well aware of the horses he had, and the length of the suspension. my contention is that the length of his suspension wasn't long enough, and that there should be more serious consequences for rules violations such as having cobra venom.
the vet got several years, four or five-biancone should have gotten the same, or even longer, considering his history. he's a repeat offender.a year is a joke, especially considering what they were caught with. and give me a break about 'maybe they weren't using it'. anyone thinking someone is going to own and possess something like that, but not really use it is beyond naive.

the racing boards really need to have more stringent rules and tougher punishments when someone is a multiple offender. perhaps we should also extend our reciprocity from north america to world wide, then clowns like biancone wouldn't be able to train here.

he was gone a year, did anyone notice anything lacking due to his absence?

So how do you feel about Asmussen,Dutrow,Pletcher,and the rest of the crew?All of them also have multiple violations in their past,and so they should be gone also,right?Why single out Biancone?

Danzig · #45 08-20-2009, 09:15 PM

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So how do you feel about Asmussen,Dutrow,Pletcher,and the rest of the crew?All of them also have multiple violations in their past,and so they should be gone also,right?Why single out Biancone?

i'm not singling biancone. i've never made a secret of my disdain for the assman, and am certainly no fan of dutrows. i've been an avid supporter of strict rules with real punishment for these violators. the sport doesn't need them.

also, i'll remind you that the thread is about biancone, which is why i wrote about biancone. has nothing to do with singling him out-he's certainly not a victim at all.

RockHardTen1985 · #46 08-20-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm well aware of the horses he had, and the length of the suspension. my contention is that the length of his suspension wasn't long enough, and that there should be more serious consequences for rules violations such as having cobra venom.
the vet got several years, four or five-biancone should have gotten the same, or even longer, considering his history. he's a repeat offender.a year is a joke, especially considering what they were caught with. and give me a break about 'maybe they weren't using it'. anyone thinking someone is going to own and possess something like that, but not really use it is beyond naive.

the racing boards really need to have more stringent rules and tougher punishments when someone is a multiple offender. perhaps we should also extend our reciprocity from north america to world wide, then clowns like biancone wouldn't be able to train here.

he was gone a year, did anyone notice anything lacking due to his absence?

I thought a year was a bit excessive, but who am I? Its not just the year, its the horses and the MONEY HE LOST. I dont know how you can aruge it was not enough, they found the venom in his barn, no one can prove he administered it to any of his horses.

RockHardTen1985 · #47 08-20-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not singling biancone. i've never made a secret of my disdain for the assman, and am certainly no fan of dutrows. i've been an avid supporter of strict rules with real punishment for these violators. the sport doesn't need them.

also, i'll remind you that the thread is about biancone, which is why i wrote about biancone. has nothing to do with singling him out-he's certainly not a victim at all.

I dont have a list of positives or anything, and I know this thread is about PB, but I think the other trainers mentioned are a bit worst then him.

Danzig · #48 08-20-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I thought a year was a bit excessive, but who am I? Its not just the year, its the horses and the MONEY HE LOST. I dont know how you can aruge it was not enough, they found the venom in his barn, no one can prove he administered it to any of his horses.

again, why would he possess it if he wasn't using it? hey, maybe the jock up on cocaine charges should use that kind of defense...seriously, what the hell would you possess an illegal substance for, and take that kind of risk for, without using it? you really, really think he wasn't actually using it?! hilarious. besides, he knows the rules, and chose to break them. i couldn't care less if it cost him millions-he made that choice.

Danzig · #49 08-20-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I dont have a list of positives or anything, and I know this thread is about PB, but I think the other trainers mentioned are a bit worst then him.

varying degrees of bad is still bad. biancone deserves derision, not sympathy. yet owners still send him their stock-that ought to tell you just how much they care about their horses.

RockHardTen1985 · #50 08-20-2009, 09:23 PM

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varying degrees of bad is still bad. biancone deserves derision, not sympathy. yet owners still send him their stock-that ought to tell you just how much they care about their horses.

I understand it was wrong, and he was more then likely administering to the horses, but he did the time. Thats all I'm saying.

Danzig · #51 08-20-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I understand it was wrong, and he was more then likely administering to the horses, but he did the time. Thats all I'm saying.

yes, i know he did the time. doesn't make him a good person, or trainer, or someone i want to see returning to the sport.

RockHardTen1985 · #52 08-20-2009, 09:30 PM

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yes, i know he did the time. doesn't make him a good person, or trainer, or someone i want to see returning to the sport.

So Dutrow, Assmussen and anyone else with any positive should not be allowed to train?
Honestly, I really dont even care about this. I liked him a lot before he went, I cought on to him and Julian before a lot of people did and I made a lot of money a few Keenland meets back. I focus on the horses and the handicapping, I really dont care either way, maybe I am biased because I do like Patrick.

Left Bank · #53 08-20-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, i know he did the time. doesn't make him a good person, or trainer, or someone i want to see returning to the sport.

Well,whether you like it or not,he's back.

alysheba4 · #54 08-20-2009, 10:11 PM

i think he is ofer at del mar........could be wrong.

Danzig · #55 08-20-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

So Dutrow, Assmussen and anyone else with any positive should not be allowed to train?
Honestly, I really dont even care about this. I liked him a lot before he went, I cought on to him and Julian before a lot of people did and I made a lot of money a few Keenland meets back. I focus on the horses and the handicapping, I really dont care either way, maybe I am biased because I do like Patrick.

many times over offenders should not be allowed back time and again. it's ridiculous.

Danzig · #56 08-20-2009, 10:13 PM

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Well,whether you like it or not,he's back.

i figured that was the point of the title of this thread. and no, i don't like it. and i don't get why some don't care, and i don't get why owners give their horses to jokes like him when there are others who don't stockpile illegal and dangerous crap like cobra venom.

parsixfarms · #57 08-20-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I thought a year was a bit excessive, but who am I? Its not just the year, its the horses and the MONEY HE LOST. I dont know how you can aruge it was not enough, they found the venom in his barn, no one can prove he administered it to any of his horses.

Apparently, you don't care about the other horseman who LOST MONEY when he was engaging in his less than reputable practices.

They can't prove he adminstered to the horses because they don't have a test for it. Why do you think he had it in the first place? You're not that naive, are you?

parsixfarms · #58 08-20-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

So Dutrow, Assmussen and anyone else with any positive should not be allowed to train?
Honestly, I really dont even care about this. I liked him a lot before he went, I cought on to him and Julian before a lot of people did and I made a lot of money a few Keenland meets back. I focus on the horses and the handicapping, I really dont care either way, maybe I am biased because I do like Patrick.

You don't care whether the sport is clean or not, or whether the lives of horses and riders are put in jeopardy, as long as you are able to cash your wager?

RockHardTen1985 · #59 08-20-2009, 10:42 PM

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You don't care whether the sport is clean or not, or whether the lives of horses and riders are put in jeopardy, as long as you are able to cash your wager?

I'm sorry, but yes. I care about the big race days, Saratoga and BC day. I care about my bankroll, not this.

CSC · #60 08-20-2009, 10:46 PM

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I wasnt talking about EPO, HGH... was talking about Biancone and COBRA VENOM. thats why he was suspended... COBRA VENOM!!! the vet and Biancone are exactly on the same level as Shulman and Gill...

makes the horse feel no pain at all. Its very dangerous. Its not fun to see a horse trying to still run with his leg flopping around because its broke and the horse doesnt know it.

I would have much rather him being caught milkshaking or with HGH.. and thats a sad statement.

I don't think anyone who has trained at this level for as many years as Biancone would intentionally do what you are suggesting, if so why does this guy continue to get very good stock after so many years. Surely all of these owner's who turn over horses to him can't be this dumb. Whether it's cobra venom or not, horses run with injuries. It happens all the time in this game, are these Trainer's equally responsible for running unsound horses? To equate cobra venom to intentional trying to harm a horse is a distortion in my opinion, I don't condone it's usage but I do think this is abit of a witchhunt we have here from what I have observed on this thread. I understand the passion horses can provoke, whoever follows this game cannot admire these animals. I don't believe for one moment that any Trainer at the highest levels would intentional try to harm one of their own animals, they may try to enhance a performance but that is a very different distinction.